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TexasTowelie

(112,202 posts)
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 05:46 AM Aug 2017

Muslim group buys church but can't get permit to pray

When is an old church no longer a suitable place for Americans to come together to pray?

In the southwest suburban village of Plainfield, the answer seems to be: when Muslims want to do the praying.

In about as clear-cut a case of religious discrimination as you’re going to find, the Plainfield village board this past week denied a zoning permit to a Muslim group that purchased a former Christian church building with plans of using it as a mosque.

Naturally, opponents have dressed up their intolerance with the usual NIMBY excuses about traffic and parking. They’re not fools.

Read more: http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/brown-muslim-group-buys-church-but-cant-get-permit-to-pray/

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Muslim group buys church but can't get permit to pray (Original Post) TexasTowelie Aug 2017 OP
In a more general sense, BobTheSubgenius Aug 2017 #1
Park at other Town churches aeromanKC Aug 2017 #2
IANAL, but... Wile E. Coli Aug 2017 #3
Churches are indeed subject to zoning regulations -- mostly. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #11
Something similar happening in my town Orrex Aug 2017 #4
Closer to my house, there isc piece of land zoned for Worship Le Gaucher Aug 2017 #5
Its only religious freedom if its Christian yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #6
The God Nazis Soxfan58 Aug 2017 #7
Ah yes. the old parking and traffic excuse. Ray Bruns Aug 2017 #8
Every Friday, Muslims should have a "picnic" in a local park. alfredo Aug 2017 #9
Similar things happened in Frankfort and Palos Hills, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #10

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
1. In a more general sense,
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 06:34 AM
Aug 2017

this kind of selfish meanness is everywhere, although not usually so brazen and appalling. Near where I live, there is a totally charming bunch of islands called The Gulf Islands...some of which become the San Juans when you cross the 49th. There is something called The Gulf Islands Trust, which is mainly about shutting the door behind you when you arrive.

"OK, I'm here. I want nothing to change from this point on."

It's gone from NIMBY to BANANA - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.

 

Wile E. Coli

(11 posts)
3. IANAL, but...
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 06:56 AM
Aug 2017

This strikes me as not just being religious discrimination, but an open-and-shut case of the government prohibiting the free exercise of one's religion. Is a church really subject to zoning regulations???

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
11. Churches are indeed subject to zoning regulations -- mostly.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 01:10 PM
Aug 2017

If the zoning ordinance restricts a particular part of town to residential use only, and it's applied uniformly to include all religious institutions, and if there's enough land elsewhere where a church/synagogue/temple/mosque/ashram can be built, then the religious institutions are subject to it and it's not a violation of the Free Exercise Clause.

Considerations of the Constitution (and, more pragmatically, the political power of churches) do, however, impose some constraints that don't benefit nonreligious uses. There's a federal statute,
the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, that can be used to challenge some zoning exclusions as applied to religious uses.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
4. Something similar happening in my town
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:19 AM
Aug 2017
http://www.wfmj.com/story/35754320/lawmaker-tries-to-stop-sale-of-shenango-property-to-islamic-company

I've been following this somewhat closely on the community pages of this Trump-voting, Conservative-flag-toting county, and people are absolutely losing their shit over this. The huge property has been vacant for years, and it's been purchased by an Islamic educational foundation.

Of course, residents insist that they're not objecting for reasons of bigotry; they just don't radical Muslims running a terrorist training camp a few miles down the road.

I asked how they'd feel if some fundamentalist Christian organization had bought the property, and they told me it's apples and orange.


But it's not bigotry, of course.
 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
5. Closer to my house, there isc piece of land zoned for Worship
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:31 AM
Aug 2017

A few muslims bought the land to build a mosque but can't get permits.. They are being shot down on technica grounds like traffic etc.

Ray Bruns

(4,097 posts)
8. Ah yes. the old parking and traffic excuse.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:41 AM
Aug 2017

Funny it wasn't a problem when the Christians wanted to pray. This happened in Norfolk Va a few years back. But then it was Christians wanting to build a church on some vacant land. Unfortunately, the Christians weren't the correct color.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. Similar things happened in Frankfort and Palos Hills,
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:41 PM
Aug 2017

two nearby Chicago suburbs. And of course the proposed "ground zero" mosque in New York.

It is amazing how these type of issues only happen to arise when the subject is a Muslim facility.

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