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mopinko

(70,121 posts)
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:01 PM Apr 2017

can someone explain mi car insurance rules?

so i lent a car to a friend, and he got rear-ended.
it seems that there is something called no-fault, and mini-torts.

other driver admitted fault. and fault was clear. it was a chain reaction.

now progressive says that this person didnt even have the mini-tort insurance. so i cant even get the piddly $1k without suing.

how the heck can this be right?

eta- this is a vintage vehicle that was in near mint condition. it isnt now. it's worth half what it was when it left town. i doubt they would give me what the loss of value would be. but jesus, nothing?

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can someone explain mi car insurance rules? (Original Post) mopinko Apr 2017 OP
You insure your own car regardless of who was at fault MichMan Apr 2017 #1
that's insane. mopinko Apr 2017 #2
Only your insurance co could tell you nm MichMan Apr 2017 #11
is this a recent thing? mopinko Apr 2017 #3
Not sure how it works if you are out of state MichMan Apr 2017 #6
I recall when Michigan voted for that law. safeinOhio Apr 2017 #4
It is expensive here MichMan Apr 2017 #8
i'm sure, but mopinko Apr 2017 #9
If you dont carry collision or comprehensive VMA131Marine Apr 2017 #5
well, i already replaced the vehicle, but mopinko Apr 2017 #7
Diminishing returns MichMan Apr 2017 #10

MichMan

(11,935 posts)
1. You insure your own car regardless of who was at fault
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:03 PM
Apr 2017

Did you have collision coverage on your car? If you do, your insurance should pay, if not, you are pretty much out of luck.

Michigan "no fault" insurance means that your insurance is responsible for fixing your car and the other person's fixes theirs. Doesn't matter who was at fault.

You can attempt to sue the other driver in small claims for the amount of your deductible and other expenses (up to 1K), but that may end up being hard to collect.

mopinko

(70,121 posts)
2. that's insane.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:19 PM
Apr 2017

i dont have collision. i just have liability, in excess of illinois law.
how the heck can this apply to people who dont live in mi?

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
4. I recall when Michigan voted for that law.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:40 PM
Apr 2017

We were told we would have the cheapest rates in the nation. Michigan is now the highest.

With older cars, I have few, I now go with limited collision insurance. Much cheaper than regular collision. If you are in an accident and it is not your fault, you are covered. If your fault, it pays for the other car but not yours. I find it saves me money and makes me more careful while driving.

Now, don't get me started on what we pay in Michigan for plates and registration.....now called the "Birthday Tax".

MichMan

(11,935 posts)
8. It is expensive here
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:25 PM
Apr 2017

It is expensive, but mainly because of unlimited lifetime medical coverage being mandatory. Any medical claims from accidents go against the car insurance, not your regular medical. The doctors and hospitals know this, so they charge higher amounts than they would otherwise. As much as costs have skyrocketed, it is very difficult for insurance companies to determine what the costs of future unlimited lifetime care will cost.

The original idea was sound; instead of having lawyers trying to prove fault to sue the other driver, your insurance would pay for your car damages and vise versa. It was intended to reduce litigation.

mopinko

(70,121 posts)
9. i'm sure, but
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:27 PM
Apr 2017

wtf if you arent from michigan?
not sure i will be setting foot in your state any time soon.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
5. If you dont carry collision or comprehensive
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:46 PM
Apr 2017

you are basically saying that you are self-insuring the vehicle. This is not a wise thing to do unless you are independently wealthy or the car isn’t worth very much. Your only recourse in this case is to sue the other driver for the damage they caused.

mopinko

(70,121 posts)
7. well, i already replaced the vehicle, but
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:13 PM
Apr 2017

in illinois, and the rest of the civilized world that i know of, if you damage someone else's property, you pay.

i guess i will end up suing. but jeebus. there was no question about the fault. how the heck does the idea that you are not at fault for your own actions become the law? and the law that holds people who arent citizens of your state to abide by a totally different set of rules.

MichMan

(11,935 posts)
10. Diminishing returns
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:32 PM
Apr 2017

As cars age, the premiums generally do not decrease. Once a car gets around 8 yrs old you really have to decide if it is worth paying a few hundred a year extra for collision.

I drive a 10 yr old car with high miles. If it was totaled, I might get $2K, so it isn't worth it to me to still carry collision. I keep comprehensive because it is pretty cheap and covers deer crashes which can be a risk around here.

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