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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts) Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:52 AM Apr 2014

$185 Million Manhattan Tunnel Leads Nowhere, For Now

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – A federally funded tunnel on Manhattan’s West Side leads to nowhere, for now.

The 800-foot-long concrete trench could someday lead to two new commuter rail tunnels under the Hudson River to New Jersey, but that will happen only if the billions needed to build them ever materialize.

The $185 million access tunnel is being built now because the massive Hudson Yards development with six skyscrapers will soon rise on top of it. Trying to dig such a huge trench through the bedrock after those buildings are completed, officials say, would be an engineering and financial nightmare.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/04/28/185-million-manhattan-tunnel-leads-nowhere-for-now/

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$185 Million Manhattan Tunnel Leads Nowhere, For Now (Original Post) hrmjustin Apr 2014 OP

This is the one JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #1

Yes and he used the money for other things and was not supposed to. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #2

He diverted the money to our JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #5

And the sad thing is the tunnel would really help commuters and now it won't happen. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #6

It might JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #7

Well we can push the feds again but I doubt they will want to give more money. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #9

Just a thought... silverweb Apr 2014 #3

Well the money is gone now because Christie spent it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #4

I mean any development money for NYC. silverweb Apr 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Apr 2014 #10

My mistake that area is flood prone. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #11

Sandy was just a warning shot. silverweb Apr 2014 #12

There is a competition going on now for ideas to protect the shoreline here. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #13

Excellent! silverweb Apr 2014 #14

Cuomo is not my favorite but he does seem to be on the right side on this one. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #15

Good. silverweb Apr 2014 #16

Congressman Grimm who is my congressman just came out as a Republican who believes in climate hrmjustin Apr 2014 #17

Yes, I saw that. silverweb Apr 2014 #18

Well hopefully this November a Democrat who believes in Climate Change will take the seat. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #19

Yes!! silverweb Apr 2014 #20

Recchia for congress. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #21

Go, team! silverweb Apr 2014 #22

Great graphic. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #23

Amtrak Train With Over 100 Passengers Gets Stuck In East River Tube hrmjustin Apr 2014 #24

kicking. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #25

We should have had a train running on second avenue years ago. SummerSnow Apr 2014 #26

Oh I agree. That was totally mismanaged an the people on the east side suffered for it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #27

The only train on the furthest east side of Manhattan is the Lexington Avenue line. SummerSnow Apr 2014 #28

And it is impossible to get a seat. I dread having to get a 4, 5, or 6 train. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #29

4,5,6, trains horrible .Never a seat and all the stations are dirty.But the fare SummerSnow Apr 2014 #30

I live on the r line and it is not as bad but always filty. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #31

I live on the A line.Manhattan. SummerSnow Apr 2014 #32

Yeah I am watching channel 7 and it is just horrible. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #33

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)

1. This is the one

Reply to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:53 AM

Apr 2014

Chris Christie nixed - right?

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

2. Yes and he used the money for other things and was not supposed to.

Reply to JustAnotherGen (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:55 AM

Apr 2014

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)

5. He diverted the money to our

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:14 AM

Apr 2014

Highway fund - to avoid raising taxes on gases.

Key point - he did it unilaterally and simply to score points with the national Conservative leadership.

But he did a pretty damn good job of selling a lot of folks a load of b.s. that it was the right thing to do. He also pumped up the numbers that New Jerseyans would have been on the hook for . . . .

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

6. And the sad thing is the tunnel would really help commuters and now it won't happen.

Reply to JustAnotherGen (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:16 AM

Apr 2014

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)

7. It might

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:18 AM

Apr 2014

Now the scramble is going to be for NJ to come up with the money to allow trains to go into that station. It WILL be finished - but at what cost? He's talking taxes again. Buono brought this up in the election -but I think because she didn't offer a concrete solution/way forward the issue dropped.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

9. Well we can push the feds again but I doubt they will want to give more money.

Reply to JustAnotherGen (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:19 AM

Apr 2014

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

3. Just a thought...

Reply to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:07 AM

Apr 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Wouldn't that money be much better spent on Dutch-style storm surge barriers?

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

4. Well the money is gone now because Christie spent it.

Reply to silverweb (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:08 AM

Apr 2014

The tunnel is gre atly needed as are barriers

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

8. I mean any development money for NYC.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:19 AM

Apr 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]It would seem to me that any new tunnel or other vulnerable development projects are pretty pointless without overall protection from rising seas.

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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

11. My mistake that area is flood prone.

Reply to silverweb (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:25 AM

Apr 2014

The railyards flooded during sandy. Looks like your right and they will need to deal with this.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

12. Sandy was just a warning shot.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:28 AM

Apr 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]We ain't seen nuthin' yet. Ma Nature's just getting warmed up (literally) and that whole area is at extreme risk.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

13. There is a competition going on now for ideas to protect the shoreline here.

Reply to silverweb (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:29 AM

Apr 2014

The Sandy aid will be used to pay for some of it.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

14. Excellent!

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:44 AM

Apr 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm very glad to hear it.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

15. Cuomo is not my favorite but he does seem to be on the right side on this one.

Reply to silverweb (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:46 AM

Apr 2014

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

16. Good.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:51 AM

Apr 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm glad he's paying attention to the science. Denialists are skating on very, very thin ice at this point. They're endangering millions of people's lives and an enormous amount of real estate.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

17. Congressman Grimm who is my congressman just came out as a Republican who believes in climate

Reply to silverweb (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:53 AM

Apr 2014

change. He also just got indicted on fraud issues.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

18. Yes, I saw that.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:30 PM

Apr 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm afraid that finally conceding the validity of science on climate change can't wipe out the facts that he's a rubber-stamp reTHUG on every other issue and a very nasty person, as well as apparently a major, long-time crook.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

19. Well hopefully this November a Democrat who believes in Climate Change will take the seat.

Reply to silverweb (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:31 PM

Apr 2014

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

20. Yes!!

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:36 PM

Apr 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'll join you in rooting for that!

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

21. Recchia for congress.

Reply to silverweb (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:39 PM

Apr 2014

http://www.recchiaforcongress.com

silverweb

(16,402 posts)

22. Go, team!

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:45 PM

Apr 2014

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

23. Great graphic.

Reply to silverweb (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:48 PM

Apr 2014

Grimm won 51 percent against a flawed Democratic candidate last time so hopefully Recchia who is a strong candidate will win.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

24. Amtrak Train With Over 100 Passengers Gets Stuck In East River Tube

Reply to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:31 PM

Apr 2014

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/04/30/amtrak-train-with-over-100-passengers-gets-stuck-in-east-river-tube/

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

25. kicking.

Reply to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:32 PM

Apr 2014

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)

26. We should have had a train running on second avenue years ago.

Reply to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:42 PM

Apr 2014

Way before they built all those skyscrapers on second avenue.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

27. Oh I agree. That was totally mismanaged an the people on the east side suffered for it.

Reply to SummerSnow (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:45 PM

Apr 2014

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)

28. The only train on the furthest east side of Manhattan is the Lexington Avenue line.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:51 PM

Apr 2014

If you live right off the FDR Drive.You have a long walk to Lexington avenue.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

29. And it is impossible to get a seat. I dread having to get a 4, 5, or 6 train.

Reply to SummerSnow (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:52 PM

Apr 2014

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)

30. 4,5,6, trains horrible .Never a seat and all the stations are dirty.But the fare

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:57 PM

Apr 2014

always go up.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

31. I live on the r line and it is not as bad but always filty.

Reply to SummerSnow (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:59 PM

Apr 2014

And the fare will be three dollars before you know it.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)

32. I live on the A line.Manhattan.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:05 PM

Apr 2014

Watching the news..bad flooding in Howard Beach.Homes and streets flooded.Water is up to car hoods.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

33. Yeah I am watching channel 7 and it is just horrible.

Reply to SummerSnow (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:06 PM

Apr 2014

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