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Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:07 PM Jan 2015

Is the political system here *really* this corrupt?

Well.... I guess. This one really really turns one's stomach.

Bklyn DEM organization jury trials this guy THREE TIMES ... gets him disbarred; ruins him, essentially.

Over NONSENSE: Technicalities. Stuff that they themselves are guilty of. ( More than "guilty of" actually.)

So... where are the "good guy" pols? ( de Blasio, Tish James et. al?) Where is the REST of the media? ( Aside from Dwyer.)

Business goes on as usual?

From Jim Dwyer's ABOUT NEW YORK column in the NY Times.

>>>John Kennedy O’Hara spent most of 2003 picking up garbage in city parks and cleaning public toilets as part of his sentence for illegal voting in Brooklyn. Also, he had to pay a fine and restitution amounting to $15,192. His supposed crime was that he registered to vote using the address of a girlfriend on 47th Street in Sunset Park, where he claimed to live part of the time. But he also maintained a residence 14 blocks away.

While this sounds like pretty serious punishment for virtually nothing — the state election laws are so remarkably elastic on matters of residency that a former head of the Brooklyn Democratic Party was actually living in Queens during his reign — we cannot be sure if Mr. O’Hara got more than his unfair share.

There are, after all, very few people to compare him with.

Practically no one.



It appears that the last person to be convicted of illegal voting in New York State before Mr. O’Hara was the abolitionist and suffragist Susan B. Anthony, who cast a ballot in Rochester in 1872, flagrantly disregarding that she was a woman and therefore not allowed to do so. She was not sentenced to pick up garbage in the parks, but was fined $100. She never paid.


Mr. O’Hara, a lawyer, an idealist, a gadfly, did not necessarily have Anthony’s laser focus. But he was a chronic nuisance to the Brooklyn Democratic machine, elements of which were, for many years, as crooked as the hind leg of a dog. He also feuded with former allies in the reform movement, which is the custom among reformers; the first item on the agenda of reformers who come to power is The Split, followed by The Betrayal. Or maybe it is the other way around.

In any event, Mr. O’Hara was prosecuted for illegal voting when he was on the outs with the machine and with the reformers. The Brooklyn district attorney at the time, Charles J. Hynes, assigned a homicide prosecutor to the O’Hara illegal voting case. There was, it should be noted, no shortage of murders in Brooklyn at the time. He was tried three times. Once a conviction was overturned. The second time the jury hung. The third time, it nailed him.

Mr. O’Hara was disbarred as a result of his conviction — the charges were felonies — but he has since been restored to the good graces of his profession by a judicial committee that said he was given a raw and smelly deal indeed.

This week, Mr. O’Hara and his lawyer, Joel B. Rudin, filed a motion in the Brooklyn courts saying that his conviction should be vacated on the grounds of selective prosecution. The motion is jammed with facts collected by Mr. Rudin during the years he helped a man named Jabbar Collins overturn a wrongful conviction for murder and then sue the city, which settled with him for $10 million in August.

Along the way, Mr. Rudin was able to question many senior executives in Mr. Hynes’s office, and uncovered a great deal of casualness about where they actually lived, as opposed to where they claimed to live. >>>>
the rest: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/nyregion/man-seeks-to-turn-tables-on-officials-in-voter-fraud.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fabout-new-york&_r=0&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=N.Y.%20%2F%20Region&action=keypress®ion=FixedLeft&pgtype=article
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Is the political system here *really* this corrupt? (Original Post) Smarmie Doofus Jan 2015 OP
Yes, but it used to be worse. nt TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #1
When? n/t Smarmie Doofus Jan 2015 #2
Do some reading on Tammany Hall... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #3
I think the difference is that people generally KNEW that Tammany was corrupt.... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2015 #4
Modern machines are far too subtle and complex to explain... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #5

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. Do some reading on Tammany Hall...
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jan 2015

and mayor Jimmy Walker, who during one campaign stop when asked "How much did you steal today?" actually answered. He was also asked, at a women's convention, if he was circumcised. He answered, to much laughter, "No, ma'am. I prefer to work it off."

Alas, we don't have politicians like that any more. Aaah, the good old days when ward heelers brought a bag of cash and a ballet box into the local bars.

You might also have fun reading about the Tweed Courthouse where Boss Tweed made a few million to pocket and pass around to the faithful to keep them faithful. The courthouse is no longer a courthouse but it's still there right behind City Hall, and a while ago the roof was leaking. It might have been fixed by now.

Tammany was still around as a small force into the '60s when it finally burned itself out as the old guard died off.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
4. I think the difference is that people generally KNEW that Tammany was corrupt....
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jan 2015

... but supported it anyway. It dispensed jobs and favors and such. This was an attractive feature to hardscrabble immigrant groups... especially Irish-born and first generationers...who found jobs and favors generally hard to come by.

The press... correct me if I'm wrong... was uniformly hostile to Tammany but to little effect.

By contrast, where was the contemporary media for all those years when Hynes, et al were building their malicious little empire?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. Modern machines are far too subtle and complex to explain...
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jan 2015

in two paragraphs or a 30 second sound bite, although the Village Voice and some others used to try.

LaGuardia and other reformers came in and threw a lot of the worst ones out, but then they either started their own machines, or couldn't control the people who did.

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