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Related: About this forumN.C. governor attacks higher ed, proposes funding colleges by graduates’ jobs
Theres a new voice in the continued and rather tired trashing of higher education and the liberal arts by conservatives: North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory.
Just a few weeks after he took office, more than 12,000 people have already signed a petition blasting his attack on higher education, in which he referred to college students as butts and said he wants to fund public community colleges and universities based on the number of students who get jobs after graduation.
McCrory, speaking recently on former education secretary Bill Bennetts talk show, said that higher education had been taken over by the educational elite, and that too many college courses did not help students get jobs, according to the Progressive Pulse. After Bennett mentioned the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hills gender studies program a subject that is a common target for conservatives McGrory said that students who take those classes should go to a private school and take it, but I dont want to subsidize that if its not going to get someone a job.
He said he asked his staff to write legislation that he can send to lawmakers to change state funding formulas for public institutions of higher education that would link the funds to the number of graduates who get jobs after they graduate. More specifically, he said funding should be not based on how many butts in seats, but how many of those butts can get jobs.
And a North Carolina teacher, Jen Job, started a petition on signon.org that more than 12,000 have already signed and that says:
Governor McCrory: Stop your effort to dismantle UNC system liberal arts programs. UNC includes top-tier institutions attended by students from all over the world, in part because of its diverse and rigorous coursework. Give UNC the respect it deserves and keep your politics out of it.
The background on the petition says:
Governor Pat McCrory has only been in office for two weeks, and already he wants to dismantle some of the most highly-regarded education programs in the nation. In an interview January 29, he took aim at UNC-Chapel Hill, North Carolinas flagship university and one of the best in the country. Specifically, he said, I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education where we are offering courses that have no chance of getting people jobs, referring to liberal arts courses. If someone wants to take a course such as gender studies, he said, go to a private school and take it.
I was an English major, one of the so-called educational elite majors to which McCrory is referring. I became a teacher and helped kids in North Carolina go to college themselves. Our so-called subsidized Gender Studies program McCrory wants to nix has staffed students in rape crisis centers, research centers, NGO work, businesses, and law offices, among other places.
Liberal arts courses dont *train* students, they *educate* them, preparing them to think critically, adapt to new situations, communicate effectively, and innovateall skills the next generation needs in this ever-changing economy. McCrory himself has a liberal arts degree, which apparently enabled him to become Governor! We need to stand up this hypocrisy now and protect the valuable institution we have at UNC, before we become an assembly line rather than a school.
One of the comments made by a petition signer Why do you want stop people from learning to think for themselves. Generally these people [liberal arts majors] actually are much better in jobs than those who only learn narrowly. gets to an important point about school reform.
On the K-12 level and even in higher education, many reformers want to apply a corporate model to the public education system, which is a civic institution. It just doesnt work. Most businesses cant survive their own business models. Why does anybody think public schools will?
Just a few weeks after he took office, more than 12,000 people have already signed a petition blasting his attack on higher education, in which he referred to college students as butts and said he wants to fund public community colleges and universities based on the number of students who get jobs after graduation.
McCrory, speaking recently on former education secretary Bill Bennetts talk show, said that higher education had been taken over by the educational elite, and that too many college courses did not help students get jobs, according to the Progressive Pulse. After Bennett mentioned the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hills gender studies program a subject that is a common target for conservatives McGrory said that students who take those classes should go to a private school and take it, but I dont want to subsidize that if its not going to get someone a job.
He said he asked his staff to write legislation that he can send to lawmakers to change state funding formulas for public institutions of higher education that would link the funds to the number of graduates who get jobs after they graduate. More specifically, he said funding should be not based on how many butts in seats, but how many of those butts can get jobs.
And a North Carolina teacher, Jen Job, started a petition on signon.org that more than 12,000 have already signed and that says:
Governor McCrory: Stop your effort to dismantle UNC system liberal arts programs. UNC includes top-tier institutions attended by students from all over the world, in part because of its diverse and rigorous coursework. Give UNC the respect it deserves and keep your politics out of it.
The background on the petition says:
Governor Pat McCrory has only been in office for two weeks, and already he wants to dismantle some of the most highly-regarded education programs in the nation. In an interview January 29, he took aim at UNC-Chapel Hill, North Carolinas flagship university and one of the best in the country. Specifically, he said, I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education where we are offering courses that have no chance of getting people jobs, referring to liberal arts courses. If someone wants to take a course such as gender studies, he said, go to a private school and take it.
I was an English major, one of the so-called educational elite majors to which McCrory is referring. I became a teacher and helped kids in North Carolina go to college themselves. Our so-called subsidized Gender Studies program McCrory wants to nix has staffed students in rape crisis centers, research centers, NGO work, businesses, and law offices, among other places.
Liberal arts courses dont *train* students, they *educate* them, preparing them to think critically, adapt to new situations, communicate effectively, and innovateall skills the next generation needs in this ever-changing economy. McCrory himself has a liberal arts degree, which apparently enabled him to become Governor! We need to stand up this hypocrisy now and protect the valuable institution we have at UNC, before we become an assembly line rather than a school.
One of the comments made by a petition signer Why do you want stop people from learning to think for themselves. Generally these people [liberal arts majors] actually are much better in jobs than those who only learn narrowly. gets to an important point about school reform.
On the K-12 level and even in higher education, many reformers want to apply a corporate model to the public education system, which is a civic institution. It just doesnt work. Most businesses cant survive their own business models. Why does anybody think public schools will?
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N.C. governor attacks higher ed, proposes funding colleges by graduates’ jobs (Original Post)
octoberlib
Feb 2013
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hollysmom
(5,946 posts)1. hey, this is the same state that made it illegal
to use science to update the expected tide heights and said they should rely on historical records - duh. these people want science only if it backs their delusions.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)2. A university is NOT an occupational school.
Somebody needs to buy this maroon a clue or three.