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Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:17 PM Apr 2012

PA Voter ID law a problem for Amish, others.

There are always unintended consequences to laws. The Republicans thought that this was a grand old idea. Now, they are having second thoughts---and I would expect that has to do with how Amish are almost all Republicans if they do vote. Interestingly, they didn't see this coming:

http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/pastate/story/Pa-Voter-ID-law-a-problem-for-Amish-others/-Q07St5xX0y5wfv0-BJR4g.cspx

The Pennsylvania Department of Transportation offers ID cards for those with religious objections to being photographed. The Amish and certain sects of the Mennonite community are among those who object to having their photos taken because of their faith.

To get a nonphoto ID for religious reasons, applicants must answer a series of 18 questions that delve deeply into their faiths and other personal information.


State Sen. Mike Folmer, R-Lebanon, said the questions seem intrusive, and he wonders why all that information is needed.

"They are going to be keeping them from the polls, keeping American citizens from the polls," Folmer said. "That's what I'm concerned about."




I saw another story where one Republican supporter of this law (edit to add: Sen Mike Folmer) said he would not have voted for it if he had known about this. Really??? He voted for a bill that he hadn't read? Point taken.
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PA Voter ID law a problem for Amish, others. (Original Post) Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 OP
"Interestingly, they didn't see this coming" annabanana Apr 2012 #1
So he wouldn't of voted had he seen this problem before? Well I guess he didn't mind when it southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #2
Bingo! nt Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 #13
you betcha. southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #16
Living in PA there is a lot of amish around. You know about the culture. IF you really cared about Justice wanted Apr 2012 #3
"Keeping American citizens from the polls." That's about it. They never thought it might enough Apr 2012 #4
oh they will probably exempt christians only from following the law, muslims etc too bad nt msongs Apr 2012 #5
Hey, it's Pennsylvania. They'll probably come up with some way that people with enough Apr 2012 #8
It makes sense for the Amish to vote Republican. Both groups are rooted in the past. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #6
Bwahahahaha! nt Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 #14
if Republicans really got total control of the country, provis99 Apr 2012 #17
I find it puzzling drm604 Apr 2012 #7
You're not accounting for the amount of bald-face lying pandering cultural warfare enough Apr 2012 #10
Oh I know. I live in PA. drm604 Apr 2012 #15
Amish that I have talked to support Republicans Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 #11
IIRC Nancy Pelosi mentioned some hadn't read the virgogal Apr 2012 #9
Yes, and the Republicans jumped all over that, Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 #12
I work at the polls in Western PA. Believe me, almost all the Amish are Republican. appleannie1 Apr 2012 #18
And that is the big rub for the Republicans. Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 #19
Current Republican excuse... durablend Apr 2012 #20
News Article - It is taking State up to 10 weeks to send out birth certificates! JPZenger Apr 2012 #21
I saw this coming. Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 #22

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
1. "Interestingly, they didn't see this coming"
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:21 PM
Apr 2012

It's astonishing how little thought is going into these knee-jerk, reactionary initiatives... across the board.

It's like they are just RAW ID, flailing about in the legislative body.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
2. So he wouldn't of voted had he seen this problem before? Well I guess he didn't mind when it
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:24 PM
Apr 2012

was democrats. Then he didn't mind

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
3. Living in PA there is a lot of amish around. You know about the culture. IF you really cared about
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:24 PM
Apr 2012

your fellow citizens you are not going to vote for this bill WHICH is probably going to back fire. Granted I don't know many but the couple I've spoken to at doctor's office give the indication that they generally vote Republican.

enough

(13,262 posts)
4. "Keeping American citizens from the polls." That's about it. They never thought it might
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:25 PM
Apr 2012

disenfranchise some reliable right-wing white voters like the Amish from exercising their inalienable rights.

One of the most longterm rotting-flesh right-wingers in the congress (Joe Pitts) counts on these votes in Lancaster County PA year after year. (PA-16)

enough

(13,262 posts)
8. Hey, it's Pennsylvania. They'll probably come up with some way that people with
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:32 PM
Apr 2012

"regular-sounding" names will be exempt. That will include the Amish.

I can say that, I'm from PA and know what I'm talking about.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
17. if Republicans really got total control of the country,
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:44 PM
Apr 2012

they'd make those Amish shave their beards.

enough

(13,262 posts)
10. You're not accounting for the amount of bald-face lying pandering cultural warfare
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:36 PM
Apr 2012

that is the normal daily (year-round) fare in PA, and has been since time immemorial. Every day we get some slick full-color mailing telling us that Obama is going to take away our Medicare, our guns, our religion, our children, whatev.

(Oh, and he's going to give it all to sluts and people who don't want to work.)

The Amish are in no way immune to this stuff, possibly more susceptible, because less media-hardened.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
15. Oh I know. I live in PA.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:46 PM
Apr 2012

Although I don't recall seeing anything about Obama taking away any of that stuff, but that's probably because I throw that crap in the trash without even reading it.

But it still strikes me as hypocritical for the Amish to vote for Republicans. As I understand it, the Amish don't even believe in self defense. I know both parties support defense (and I agree we need defense) but the Republicans are the bigger warmongers.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. Amish that I have talked to support Republicans
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:37 PM
Apr 2012

because of that perceived "conservative" stand. And of course, they want small government---they really live that meme of keeping government out of their lives.

And then there is that "rural thinking".....almost every rural area is solid red.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
9. IIRC Nancy Pelosi mentioned some hadn't read the
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:34 PM
Apr 2012

health bill before they voted on it.

Boggles the mind.

appleannie1

(5,068 posts)
18. I work at the polls in Western PA. Believe me, almost all the Amish are Republican.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:46 PM
Apr 2012

And they are a huge part of the population of this state. They believe that a camera taking their image will open a door for Satan and they don't even want people photographing their homes, let alone them.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
19. And that is the big rub for the Republicans.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:00 PM
Apr 2012

They did not expect this abuse of power to hurt THEM. But really, how far up their butt was their head---all of us in PA know that there are a large number of Amish communities here. And all of us know that they refuse to have their picture taken. So why don't these lawmakers know this?

durablend

(7,464 posts)
20. Current Republican excuse...
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:23 AM
Apr 2012

"The Amish don't vote....I seen it personally so I know it's TRUE!"

Yes folks this is what they're going with.

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
21. News Article - It is taking State up to 10 weeks to send out birth certificates!
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:54 AM
Apr 2012

Oh, it is really easy to get a photo ID to vote.... all you need is an original copy of your birth certificate .... which you have to pay for ...and have to know how to the process ... and which may take up to 10 weeks for the state to send out to you.

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=379471

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
22. I saw this coming.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:54 PM
Apr 2012

I had my original birth certificate in a security lock box that was stolen when my house was burglarized, so I had to jump through all the hoops to get another one. I knew that this would become a problem. I wish I wasn't right so often----they never surprise me.

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