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JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 10:27 AM Dec 2014

Pa. Repubs still pushing a pension "fix" that will increase costs to the state

It is widely recognized that the state budget and budgets of cities and school districts are straining under rapidly increased pension costs. Part of the problem stems from the fact that the state and many school districts did not contribute to the pension funds for many years, while employees continued to pay into it.

Another part of the problem is that SOME public workers can work for 30 years and then instantly start collecting full pension benefits, which can continue for another 30 years, based upon a typical lifespan. That math doesn't work - the State can't generate enough pension revenue in 30 years of work to pay for 30 years of pension benefits.

(Note - the rules for various public employees vary greatly, and some state employees cannot collect full benefits until after 35 years and they reach age 65).

However, as described in the linked AP article, leading Pa. Repub legislators are still trying to force through ideological changes, instead of addressing the increased current costs. They are trying to force Wolf to agree to shift new state workers to individual IRAs, before they will agree to do anything that Wolf wants to fix the looming $1.5 billion state deficit.

The problem is that this change would make the current crisis MUCH WORSE. New workers would no longer be paying into the state pension funds, but instead would be paying into their own accounts. Those dollars from new workers are needed to pay for benefits of current retirees.

(Note - courts have ruled that the state cannot reduce benefits of current retirees.)

A few years ago, legislators were able to take home amazingly large lump-sum pension payouts, but the worst of those abuses were reduced. However, state legislators are now vested after only 5 years and can collect after age 50.

Several years ago, pension benefits were also reduced for new state employees.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20141227_ap_40e609a793ab4710a6d2ecffb6b2de1c.html

http://sers.pa.gov/members-class-of-service.aspx




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Pa. Repubs still pushing a pension "fix" that will increase costs to the state (Original Post) JPZenger Dec 2014 OP
That 30 year thing is more to do about nothing upaloopa Dec 2014 #1
Thanks - I made some corrections JPZenger Dec 2014 #2

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. That 30 year thing is more to do about nothing
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 12:24 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Tue Dec 30, 2014, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)

then it seems. Yes in many defined benefit plans the formula is such that a person can work for 30 years and retire at full pay. In our plan it takes 35 years. But it happens so rarely that it isn't a real cost factor. Our department had two people retire in that situation this year but there is no one left who would qualify for that and it is no longer a part of the plan.
It shouldn't be portrayed as if it happens regularly and is part of the problem.
The problems stem from three things. Governments were not making their contributions as they agreed to, people are living longer and the Great Recession lowered plan asset values. Most governments are changing to a lesser formula combined with a 401K.
When the current plans were new, government workers were paid less than private specter workers but they expected to be compensated in retirement for what they gave up in current income.
Over time private specter wages were reduced to below public specter wages and private specter retirement plans mostly changed to 401Ks or nothing. This was as a result of union shops being replaced with non union shops and right to work laws.
The fix as I see it is more union work places. We need to increase benefits for all rather than everybody joining in the rush to the bottom.

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
2. Thanks - I made some corrections
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 12:50 PM
Dec 2014

Thanks, Upaloopa - I made some corrections to the post and added a link with more detail about state workers. The issues also involve municipal workers and public school employees.

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