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Chef Eric

(1,024 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:56 AM Mar 2016

‘Those kids never got to go home’

CARLISLE, Pa. — They want the bones of their children back.

They want the remains of the boys and girls who were taken from their American Indian families in the West, spirited a thousand miles to the East, and, when they died not long after arrival, were buried here in the fertile Pennsylvania soil.

The brevity of those lives, and the effort of a South Dakota tribe to reclaim them now, spring from a turn-of-the-century episode of forced assimilation and cultural destruction — one that continues to haunt and torment the Rosebud Sioux.

Today, many people know this small borough as a stop on the turnpike or as the site of Dickinson College. But from 1879 to 1918, the town was home to the Carlisle Indian Industrial School, the flagship of a fleet of federally funded, off-reservation boarding schools. It immersed native children in the dominant white culture, seeking to cleanse their "savage nature" by erasing their names, language, dress, customs, religions, and family ties.

The Carlisle goal: "Kill the Indian, save the man." Sometimes, both perished. Nearly 200 children are buried here in the Indian cemetery.

Read more at: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Those_kids_never_got_to_go_home.html

I've always thought that the Carlisle fiasco was a shameful episode in Pennsylvania's history.

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‘Those kids never got to go home’ (Original Post) Chef Eric Mar 2016 OP
I can think of NO reason why they annabanana Mar 2016 #1
Agreed on both counts. n/t whathehell Mar 2016 #4
Many states share your shame.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #2
+1000 n/t. whathehell Mar 2016 #5
One of our family went to Carlisle for a few years from MN. jwirr Mar 2016 #3
I don't think Pennsylvania is much to blame... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #6
absolutely . . n/t annabanana Mar 2016 #7
As a nation of immigrants we must atone for the crimes our ancestors committed upon the Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #8

mountain grammy

(26,642 posts)
2. Many states share your shame..
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

Thanks for posting an important part of America's history, that is still an on going tragedy.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. One of our family went to Carlisle for a few years from MN.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

But I am not sure his story fits into this one. He got into trouble - a man was killed - and the boy in our family was sent to Carlisle where he stayed until he decided to come home or until the problem at home settled down - not sure which. He ran away from the school - visited DC and came home.

Actually I think some of the education that he got there was helpful to him as he worked for the Department of Natural Resources for the rest of his life. And if the goal was to turn him into a white man it did not work. His family is very involved in the tribal life even today.

Edited to say that they should be able to get their people moved to their own grave sites. I hope that they are marked so they know who they are. When some of us wanted to do the same thing with family that had died in a mental institution all we found were unmarked graves.

All those in our tribe here who were sent to that kind of schools came back telling some really horrible stories about their treatment at the schools. So it is still an era of shame.

The idea to turn them into little white men and women is purely a Mormon idea that still exists today.

Wounded Bear

(58,686 posts)
6. I don't think Pennsylvania is much to blame...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:21 AM
Mar 2016

Seems to me this is on the Feds. I see no reason to deny the tribe the right to the remains of their children. The Federal government paid to ship them out to Penn, they should pay to have their remains returned.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
8. As a nation of immigrants we must atone for the crimes our ancestors committed upon the
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mar 2016

First Nation Peoples. We must stop the suppression done to them continuing to today. We have got to stop the generational trauma both abuser and abused.

I remember with awe the fields of lightening bugs glowing in the openings in the forests in PA. Such a beautiful place, such an ugly history.

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