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Related: About this forum150 years ago, the Battle of Sabine Pass saved Texas
After two years of brilliant victories over a sluggish and bewildered federal force with inept commanders, the war was not going well for the southern Confederacy. By 1863, the rebels began to lose even as they won, squandering precious soldiers to gain battlefield dominance.
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A follow-up campaign aimed at Texas in early September 1863 as gunboats and troop transports chugged out of New Orleans, heading for Sabine Pass.
The Battle of Sabine Pass was one of a handful of Civil War battles waged in Texas. On Jan. 1, 1863, Southern forces expelled Union occupiers from Galveston. The Union had also skirmished with Confederates at Sabine Pass and upriver.
But the battle on Sept. 8, 1863, whose 150th anniversary will be observed on Saturday and Sunday at the Sabine Pass Battleground Park, kept the Union out of Texas for the remaining two years of the Civil War.
More at http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/150-years-ago-the-Battle-of-Sabine-Pass-saved-4792159.php .
[font color=green]This article is posted as part of Texas history, not as condoning or endorsing the Confederate States of America.[/font]
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Why post this?
TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)The battle kept Texas out as a battleground during the Civil War. That meant that several Texas cities were left unscathed by the war such as Houston, San Antonio and Beaumont.
There are also some implications as to how it affected higher education in Texas which was dominated by Baptists and Methodists universities during that period. Universities such as Baylor (chartered 1845) and my alma mater (Southwestern Univ. established in 1873 from the consolidation of four Methodist universities, the first chartered in 1840) would not have developed which in turn would have altered the development of higher education in Texas.
I prefer to know the historical context as to how social structures developed throughout the state rather than be ignorant of those events. I hope that you agree that knowledge is a good thing considering your DU moniker--even if there were adverse results due to those events. I think that all of us on DU agree that slavery left a vile legacy on our country that still permeates some aspects of our society. However, because of this battle it may have also meant that both lives and property were preserved.
Respectfully,
TxT
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)And then when somebody said "wtf" replying "well it was history".
TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)If I posted in GD or some other forum, then it would be appropriate to question whether the story was appropriate. However, I posted the article in the Texas Group and the story was significant enough to be prominently displayed on a newspaper's Website.
While I consider slavery to be the primary cause for the Civil War, others have mentioned the bifurcated economy, nullification and states rights as issues that also contributed to the war.
The group rules state "discuss all things Texan" and in that context I thought that the story was appropriate for the group. I respect your opinion if you think otherwise.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,662 posts)It happened, it was part of history, and this is the Texas forum.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Thanks for the invitation to ignore odious posts in this group.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,662 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)While I understand your views about slavery, you need to keep in mind the perspective of the residents of the local area (and all Texans) that was spared the ravages of war and the effects on social structures in Texas after the war such as the educational system. This was a post about a historical event that occurred in Texas and worthy of being posted in the Texas forum, much to your chagrin about the headline.
Who are you to pass judgment amongst those of us that regularly participate in the Texas Group and are interested in Texas history (the good, the bad and the ugly)? Much like the carpetbaggers that came to the South during the Reconstruction Period, I agree with the other opinions expressed here of "Yankee go home" when you express contempt to those within this group.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)I passed judgement on nothing other than the headline and its posting here. On the other hand if you also believe that Texas was "saved" for a few more years by this battle, I would indeed lump you in with what is objectionable.
This is a public forum here and the state forums are open for discussion to all members. If you want to celebrate the pro-slavery side of the civil war, expect some flack.
TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)unless you are banned from the host of the group. FWIW, after I read some of your responses to comments made by other DUers I requested the host to ban you from the group. I have not heard from the host since I made that request yesterday; however, Lithos does not post frequently and may not have checked his/her DU mail.
There were also several other contributing factors as to why the Civil War occurred (ranging from states rights to opposition of Lincoln) and I find slavery to be abhorrent so I take your comments that I'm celebrating slavery to be rude and insensitive. You were the person that brought the issue of slavery into this discussion--it was not mentioned by me in my comment at the end of the OP, nor was it mentioned in the newspaper article.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)"Texas was saved all the destruction suffered by the rest of the South," he said.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,662 posts)Texas and Texans suck, you know. Texas should have been burned to the ground, like all the other red states.