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TexasTowelie

(112,442 posts)
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:45 PM Jul 2014

Texas doctor with Ebola turns down serum

Dr. Kent Brantly, the Texas doctor who contracted the Ebola virus in West Africa, turned down an experimental serum and asked that it instead by given to another sick mission worker, a post Thursday on the Samaritan’s Purse website says.

Samaritan’s Purse is the organization that employs Brantly and that has been serving as a source of updates on the doctor, who performed his residency at JPS Hospital in Fort Worth.

“Yesterday, an experimental serum arrived in the country, but there was only enough for one person. Dr. Brantly asked that it be given to Nancy Writebol,” said Franklin Graham, president of Samaritan’s Purse in the website posting. “However, Dr. Brantly received a unit of blood from a 14-year-old boy who had survived Ebola because of Dr. Brantly’s care. The young boy and his family wanted to be able to help the doctor that saved his life.”

Brantly and Writebol, a hygienist working at the same hospital, are in stable but grave condition. Brantly took a “slight turn for the worse overnight,” according to the website.

More at http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/07/31/6010018/texas-doctor-with-ebola-turns.html .

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Texas doctor with Ebola turns down serum (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jul 2014 OP
I hope he will recover. This is such a horrible disease. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #1
Such incredible bravery. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #2
contrast the goodness of this doctor with the dork in Belgium roguevalley Jul 2014 #3
I was just thinking the same thing. liberalhistorian Jul 2014 #13
Hope he survives. And some people really do take the mission to help others seriously... freshwest Jul 2014 #4
the next few days are critical magical thyme Jul 2014 #5
He will not recover. And if a cure were as simple as blood from an Ebola survivor....well, it isn't. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #6
Such hope and optimism. Indydem Jul 2014 #7
Such naivete about the media. I HOPE he recovers; I DOUBT that eventuality. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #18
Geez. Have just a LITTLE hope, will ya? AngryDem001 Jul 2014 #8
You must be under a misapprehension that my opinion can affect these events. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #14
No it can't. But a little optimism can't hurt. AngryDem001 Jul 2014 #21
wow. So far more than 40% have recovered magical thyme Jul 2014 #9
One of us will be correct. I'm simply of the belief that we have not been told the whole truth (are WinkyDink Jul 2014 #15
it really depends on why they gave him a unit of blood magical thyme Jul 2014 #23
I an optimist, but not about Ebola... CoffeeCat Aug 2014 #29
You are correct: the INFECTED is the number to know. And some recovered, but will their contacts? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #30
1 in ten survive - three in ten for this type i have been told SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2014 #10
Feel free to hold some. Me? I'm not, pardon the pun, sanguine. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #17
I've read the same, I assure you. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #16
Actual heros. blackspade Jul 2014 #11
Dr. Brantly is a living example of The Good Samaritan. Raster Jul 2014 #12
A brave and altruistic man who deserves our utmost respect. Daniels are few; lions' dens are many. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #19
I could not agree more with everything you've said. Raster Jul 2014 #26
He is very brave, but AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #20
Ebola Vaccine trials to start in September with results by January 2015. DhhD Jul 2014 #22
And who shall be brave enough to bell that vaccine cat? Not I, said the suburban mouse. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #25
Same type of people that accepted the first rabies vaccine after being bitten. Ebola like Rabies DhhD Jul 2014 #27
Um, I KNOW there have BEEN such volunteers, since vaccines do, in fact, exist. I'm just sayin'---who WinkyDink Jul 2014 #28
Yes, if the Ebola virus gets out. Yes, if the Bird Flu gets out. Yes, if SARS gets out. Yes as the DhhD Aug 2014 #31
Nancy Writebol's condition has worsened despite the serum magical thyme Jul 2014 #24

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
13. I was just thinking the same thing.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jul 2014

I am not at all in favor of Israel's current government and its devastating, unwarranted, murderous actions in Gaza, but the Belgian doctor's blatant anti-semitism in refusing to treat a Jewish patient because of that is pure hateful inhumanity and makes him no better than those whose actions he thinks he's "protesting."

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
5. the next few days are critical
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jul 2014

From everything I've read, it is at about this point where patients either begin recovering or, more commonly, start straight down.

Healing vibes to this brave, brave young doctor. Hopefully the boy's blood will contain antibodies against the virus.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
6. He will not recover. And if a cure were as simple as blood from an Ebola survivor....well, it isn't.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jul 2014
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. wow. So far more than 40% have recovered
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jul 2014

While he was exhausted and weak at the outset, his symptoms were identified and treatment begun early on. Early identification and treatment are what have lowered the mortality rate from 90% to the current 60%.

He is receiving more than just the blood donation from the former patient who recovered. He has been on supportive treatment from the get-go.

His condition has gone up and down and back up again since the onset. He had a slight turn for the better yesterday, than a slight turn worse overnight.

That does not mean he will not recover. It means his body is fighting. The next few days will be critical. The blood donation may or may not help, but it is not the only treatment he is getting.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
15. One of us will be correct. I'm simply of the belief that we have not been told the whole truth (are
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 04:24 PM
Jul 2014

we ever?).

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
23. it really depends on why they gave him a unit of blood
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jul 2014

If his H&H have dropped below normal, that would indicate internal bleeding. In that case it is likely too late, and this is a last ditch effort to do something, anything.

But much of what they are doing is experimental. They may have given him a unit from the patient that survived specifically to see if introducing antibodies will help knock the virus back and buy him time to produce more of his own.

I don't think we've been specifically lied to regarding his condition, which continues to be stable but grave. I do think our government has been less than forthcoming about the risks should this reach our shores, and the chances of that happening.

I live in a tourist area and we are in our high season, so easily half the patients we treat right now are from "away," which includes from all over the world. I work in lab tech -- co-worker and I were talking about it just yesterday. She is watching, too. We are certainly concerned.

I did see one flat out lie today, where our government supposedly has notified medical staff what to watch out for. I know I haven't yet seen anything in our lab. It certainly would have been passed along, and they forward my work email to my home.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
29. I an optimist, but not about Ebola...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:39 AM
Aug 2014

I have doubts about the claim that 40 percent survive it and 60 percent die.

This particular outbreak seems so virulent. It has caused 670 deaths, thus far and is the worst Ebola outbreak to date.

I also think it's odd that these three doctors were following CDC safety guidelines and they are infected. Furthermore, they all became infected during a similar timeframe. Is it possible that this Ebola strain is becoming more virulent, or possibly airborne?

If that 40-percent-survival stat is true, wouldn't it be fair to say that around 1,200 people have been infected (given the 670 death rate)? That's a lot of infected people. Seems as if this strain is packing a bigger punch.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
30. You are correct: the INFECTED is the number to know. And some recovered, but will their contacts?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:17 AM
Aug 2014
 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
10. 1 in ten survive - three in ten for this type i have been told
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jul 2014

not odds i care to face - but there is hope

Raster

(20,998 posts)
12. Dr. Brantly is a living example of The Good Samaritan.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jul 2014

I am not Christian. And I do not pray. However, I think I will make an exception. Bless his heart.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
19. A brave and altruistic man who deserves our utmost respect. Daniels are few; lions' dens are many.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jul 2014

Raster

(20,998 posts)
26. I could not agree more with everything you've said.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jul 2014

He certainly has my utmost respect and every good vibe I can send his way.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
20. He is very brave, but
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jul 2014

if he dies many will not receive care because there are very few doctors who are willing to do what he has been doing.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
27. Same type of people that accepted the first rabies vaccine after being bitten. Ebola like Rabies
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jul 2014

takes a little time to develop into a disease. During that time a vaccine has time to make molecules that provide immunity or attack and/or kill the virus.

One of the source sites up thread, says that the rabies vaccine prevents Ebola in other primates. And that the rabies virus can be airborne in an areas of large bat concentrations.

Some South Americans have natural immunity to rabies. That has been under study for a while now. Perhaps you would not mind putting the topic sentence of this paragraph in a search box, if you can.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
28. Um, I KNOW there have BEEN such volunteers, since vaccines do, in fact, exist. I'm just sayin'---who
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jul 2014

now?

YOU?

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
31. Yes, if the Ebola virus gets out. Yes, if the Bird Flu gets out. Yes, if SARS gets out. Yes as the
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:58 AM
Aug 2014

multiple-covalent Fall Flu Shots are all ready out because the seasonal flu viruses are already active in the human population. Sounds like it is time for the government to provide immunization based on cell membrane and virus structure that allows attachment and injection into a host cell. It is an immunization against the molecular structure as well as the RNA core that reproduces the virus structure (virus is not a living organism).

Molecular structure restrictive enzymes, already exit for HIV; like for AIDS. there is a vaccination for Chicken pox and measles virus. Monoclonal antibodies can be grown in vitro.

The biochemistry is at your fingertips here on the internet. That includes what else in loaded into the injection or nasal spray. Immunization for small pox, is a scratch on the skin. And a sugar cube can be used for the polio vaccine.

http://jvi.asm.org/content/77/18/9733

https://www.google.com/search?q=ebola+virus+structure+and+function&sa=X&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=ZrjbU_n7OsuPyASom4LoAw&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=636

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
24. Nancy Writebol's condition has worsened despite the serum
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jul 2014

However, on Thursday charity SIM said in a statement that Mrs Writebol's condition had worsened, despite the serum.

Mrs Writebol is in stable, but serious condition and is receiving an experimental drug that doctors hope will better address her condition, the charity said.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2712477/Dr-Kent-Brantly-battling-Ebola-passes-potentially-life-saving-experimental-serum-American-colleague-it.html#ixzz395RYKeLQ
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