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Chili is a local specialty with a specific history. Please find another name for your spiced vegetable stew.http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2015/01/chili_history_there_are_no_beans_in_san_antonio_s_specialty.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
The Super Bowl seems like a good time to correct the categorical error that people make when they think about chili. Folks tend to consider it as a genre of food, along the lines of sandwiches or tacosan open-source dish, as in steak sandwich, chicken taco, tofu chili. (More on that in a moment.) But chili is perfect, complete, and not open to discussion. It is a proper dish with a proper name, something closer to the Cobb salad or French onion soup, except better than either of those things, because it is chili and not salad and definitely not French.
MADem
(135,425 posts)it's still chili, no matter how much anyone might want to insist otherwise. Sure, there may be an "original" recipe, like there was an "original" recipe for pasta when Marco Polo came home from his explorations, but that doesn't mean "There can be only one."
I realize this POV is heretical in some corners, but my mind is firm on this issue.
I like meat/bean chili, hot as hell, with cheese on it.
Some things just acquire a life of their own--it's like people calling everyone "dude." Once upon a time, a "dude" was a fancily-dressed man out west. Nothing else. Then as the decades passed by, he became the guy you bought your weed from....now he can be a she, and he can even be grandma or grampa. Ain't that right, dude?
And wasn't it Bullwinkle, half a century ago, who said:
Eeenie, meanie...CHILI BEANIE...the spirits are about to speak?
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case!!!!!
Even our favorite food-critic here, Robb Walsh, doesn't have a problem with beans being in chili. Look at his blog as I think you'll like it. And here's an older story of his on the history of Chili con Carne
MADem
(135,425 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)Chili doesn't have different forms. It is made one way and it NEVER EVER under ANY circumstances contains beans.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Or those heretics at CAMPBELLS!!
Never mind those bean enthusiasts at Wendy's!!!!
Gman
(24,780 posts)for over 30 years makes a chicken "chili" with what looks like navy beans. I call it "that stuff you make". It's actually pretty good. But it ain't chili by any stretch of the imagination.
MADem
(135,425 posts)USN beans (!), whatever ya got handy to add heat, plenty of garlic...mmm, mmm~!
I make a Puerto Rican version that has meat and habichuelas coloradas and sofrito...no comino~! It's a bump up on the "rice and beans" recipe, and it's chili in San Juan, ah tell you whut~to quote Hank Hill (no one is more Texan than him, no?). You've got to be a cilantro fan (and I am), though....
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)So I never did. But with my second husband being from WI he was used to the beans. So I have moderated the chili to be less spicy and more tomatoey and beanie.
orleans
(34,056 posts)i have to order those dvds!
(i wonder if they have garfield goose)
on edit:
sad face. no goose.
MADem
(135,425 posts)there was something for the adults, something for the kids, and a bit of knowledge to be gained for the tweens. They are still good after all these years, too.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I am sure the chili we have in Minnesota is probably not generally very authentic, but I have never heard anyone claim it is not chili. I think all the chili I have ever tasted had beans in it, I have never heard of spaghetti in chili however.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)"What's the name of this dish?" you respond, "Chili." The Texas, "Oh, that's interesting." and continue eating because it's the polite thing to do.
The rude Texas, "What the Hell are banes (beans) doing in this chili?"
subterranean
(3,427 posts)The Cincinnati version of chili is always served over spaghetti, except when it's slathered on a hot dog.
http://www.skylinechili.com/ways.php
LibGranny
(711 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)While I have never heard of chili on spaghetti, I must admit that it does sound pretty good. I may have to try making it that way at home sometime.
MADem
(135,425 posts)paleotn
(17,930 posts)...in Nashville, TN no less. For our spaghetti the chili of choice was....
Of course, looking at the nutrition label, it's a wonder I lived past 18.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)The ingredients include cinnamon, allspice and chocolate. It bears no resemblance to Texas-style chili, and seems to be an acquired taste that few people outside the Cincinnati area have acquired.
Gman
(24,780 posts)The chili authorities are in Texas b
tblue37
(65,396 posts)Man, there are over a thousand comments on this, so I can't read them all. If I'm repeating someone else's, please forgive me.
The author seems to miss the fact that the whole "no beans" "controversy" was drummed up as a publicity stunt. That should be clear from the article, but if it's not, think about it: a journalist from New York writes a column entitled "Nobody Knows More About Chili Than I Do," in which he says Texans don't know anything about chili and specifically advocates beans. Several Texas journalists, most prominently Tolbert and Fowler, reply that there should be no beans, and they all dream up a "chili cook-off" competition in a ghost town. Celebrities participate, including Carroll Shelby, a famous race-car driver and designer. When the competition happens, under bizarre claims of his palate being ruined by the beans, the deciding judge says he can't judge, and no winner is declared. After which Tolbert markets his chili book, and Shelby, Fowler, and others put their names on "chili fixins" kits to sell in supermarkets, since they're now experts on chili, having founded a famous and highly publicized chili cook-off.
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The other thing to realize is it wasn't a new idea. There had been a "World Chili Championship" at the Texas State Fair in 1952. It had been created by Joe E. Cooper who was (guess what?) a newspaper journalist marketing a book on chili. And what was his book called? "With or Without Beans." And who covered the State Fair for the Dallas Morning News that year? Frank X. Tolbert. The Shelby/ Tolbert/ Fowler gang were quite knowingly repeating a gag from fifteen years earlier, complete with "beans or no beans" controversy.
There was more backstory, too. Carroll Shelby and his lawyer/business partner had bought a big ranch in Terlingua, which they used as a campground. They would go there to hunt and ride dirt bikes with their friends, including Fowler and Tolbert. But the land was essentially worth nothing, since it was a ghost town with no services. They decided to try to make it famous for something to increase the property value, and started to call it "The Chili Capital of the World." They made stationery and that kind of thing, and each of them had a municipal title (I think Tolbert was water commissioner). They each came up with ways to make money off the chili idea: Tolbert's book, A Bowl of Red, Shelby and Fowler's chili kits, and the competition itself were all (at least in part) marketing tie-ins. The only thing I'm not sure of is the New York writer's involvement; I've seen reports that he was a member of the "gang," and other reports that he was a willing patsy--that is, he knew they were all doing a big publicity stunt, and played along. Anyway, he was the most famous of all of them and probably didn't need the money. (H. Allen Smith, at the time the best-selling humor writer since Mark Twain.)
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As for the idea of cultural appropriation, "chili" is itself a misnomer, an anglo misunderstanding of "carne con chile," or "meat and hot pepper." Anglos started to call the spiced meat "chili" in the 1880s or so, when it was mostly prepared as dried bricks, like jerky. (That's why, as the author notes, Stephen Crane called it pounded fire-brick from Hades," by the way: in his day, chili meant a brick of hot pepper beef jerky.) The inconvenient thing is that this original recipe had four ingredients: meat, suet, salt, and chili peppers. That's it. No tomatoes, onions, garlic, or anything else. So beans have as much right to be in chili as anything other than meat, salt, suet, and chiles. Once we start to use "chili" to mean a stew of any kind, we've strayed from the "original" cultural meaning that's used to justify a "no beans" rule. And the real cultural appropriation occured when anglo men declared themselves "experts" on a food traditionally prepared by Latinas, not when other anglo men from outside Texas started making it.
Gman
(24,780 posts)The correct term is chili con carne because there is a just plain chili, generally served over enchiladas
Second, the land in Terlingua is still pretty much worthless. You can buy land there for as little as $100 an acre.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Hot pepper, with a bit of meat! And "carne" is just meat--it's not beef, or pork, or anything in particular--catch it, mix it with hot chiles and salt and grease, and there ya go!
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I think beans enhance the flavor.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They're musical, those beans....
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)And yuck...no spaghetti.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)Then chili becomes what ever you have in cupboard.
Even in Texas i'm sure there are better things to argue about.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)With extra heat, and BEANS. Beans are what make chili awesome, IMHO. I like to use kidney, pinto, and black.
I also like to post the recipe at various food blogs as "Texas-Style Chili w/ Beans". Drives the Texans nuts.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)My father's recipe doesn't use beans, but he also has no problem with beans being in chili recipes. Back when I did still eat meat, the best version of his chili I ever had was made with venison, not beef.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I'm a Florida native, but my mom's family hailed from NY. They always made Texas-style chili, but my grandfather liked to use beans (my mom, however, did not). So I stuck with his recipe until I slowly doctored it and eventually started again from scratch with my own recipe. I tend to use chili ground beef, but when I can get my hands on some fresh venison, it's on!
indie9197
(509 posts)ground beef, chunk beef, chicken, beans, no beans, tomatoes, no-tomatoes. It's all chili. The only requirement for me is lots of chile flavor- whether roasted, fresh, or ground.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It's under it.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)HAD NO BEANS!!! But I grew up eating chili with beans in it.
Although, I know of a little roadside dive in Idaho (mormons don't know how to cook and have little - if any - sense about what is actually food IMO) that has a mixture of spaghetti sauce with pinto bean mash on top of thick spaghetti pasta... at least the name is appropriate, they call it a "mess". For cast iron stomachs only!
Dr. Xavier
(278 posts)for moving out of Texas, to LA CA back when my daddy was 7 where he met my mom, who was a Native Californian, 25 years later. Texans will be the death of this country, mark my words. Chili con carne is the hybrid of two dishes: chili colorado and chili verde. Both dishes are made without beans, but they are always served with a serving of beans and rice. Today's chili can be made either way with beans or without, depending on your preference. Trust me, one of the first things I learned as the son of a Texan is that you never listen to a Texan.
drthais
(870 posts)oh PLEASE
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)The first time I ate Texas chili I wondered why someone put kerosene in it. Yikes! The chili flavor was so strong!
Now, many years later, I love it.
I like it with and without beans, but if I use beans, I use kidney beans - kidney beans hold up better to the strong chili flavor. While I like pinto beans, they are just too mild for chili. Meh.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)According to my Texan Bro-in-law, beans are served on the side for those who want them.
I have to admit, he makes a mean pot of Texas Red that is just about perfect.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Where the food choices were vegetarian or vegan. The vegan choice (I think) was 5-bean chili. No meat. Tasted good, though.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Chili without beans can be called a lot of things, but not chili.
Those chuck wagons carried beans for a reason. Don't be fooled by the cattle baron's hype. Texas chili had beans, and I would bet most still does.
And one more comment: Chili powder in Chili? Yuck, may as well open a can from Hormel. Always use peppers, peppers, and more peppers. Pepper flakes in a pinch, but never chili powder, quickest way to ruin chili.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Real chili has no tomato sauce or beans.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)One of my beloved old aunts uttered that wise phrase many years ago about food preferences. I myself like beans in chili (I'll pass on the pasta, however). I first read the Chili With Beans In It Is Sacrilege thing in a "Texas Monthly" article, years ago (back when that publication was generally worth a shit). I ignored it then, I continue to ignore it now.