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TexasTowelie

(112,417 posts)
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 02:31 PM Feb 2012

Senator wants to add state property tax

AUSTIN — Texas Senate Finance Committee Chairman Steve Ogden recently suggested the Legislature should consider a statewide property tax to fund the public school system, a measure that would require the approval of Texas voters.

Ogden even suggested Gov. Rick Perry should call a special legislative session after the spring primaries to start tackling the issue, a call the governor has so far ignored.

Unlike other Texas Legislature panels, the two committees that craft the state budget — House Appropriations and Senate Finance — have not met since the lawmakers adjourned in June.

Since Ogden, R-Bryan, is ending his 22-year legislative career when his term expires early next year, another legislator would need to file the statewide property tax bill when the Legislature is back in session.

http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2012-02-11/senator-wants-add-state-property-tax

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Senator wants to add state property tax (Original Post) TexasTowelie Feb 2012 OP
I'm sorry, but we don't need a statewide property tax in Texas Th1onein Feb 2012 #1
Don't you already have property taxes in Texas? customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #2
Yes we do sonias Feb 2012 #4
Ok, but every place I'm familiar with customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #6
Ought to include intellectual property in the tax rolls. Downwinder Feb 2012 #3
Interesting idea, but I think it could get troublesome. TexasTowelie Feb 2012 #5
How many Stephens Media papers are in Texas? Downwinder Feb 2012 #7
I've always thought a state income tax would be a better way to fund education. northoftheborder Feb 2012 #8

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
1. I'm sorry, but we don't need a statewide property tax in Texas
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 02:57 PM
Feb 2012

This does nothing but hurt the working people.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
2. Don't you already have property taxes in Texas?
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:01 PM
Feb 2012

If not, then you're the first place I've heard of in the US that doesn't tax real estate.

sonias

(18,063 posts)
4. Yes we do
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:44 PM
Feb 2012

We have local property taxes and this is the primary way we finance schools in Texas now. It used to be the State of Texas provided the majority of money for public schools. Ever since republicans took control of the state they have been providing less and less money to schools at the state level. School districts have no choice but to make property taxes the majority of their revenue now.

Man I hate that crew at the Texas Lege starting with our dickhead Governor Perry.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
6. Ok, but every place I'm familiar with
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:44 PM
Feb 2012

has property taxes both at the state level, and at various local levels, including property taxes for library and fire districts.

It would seem that a collection mechanism is already in place, that would not involve either the startup or ongoing expenses of administration. As I recall, Texas has no income tax, if one were to be instituted there, it would require the costs of bureaucracy.

Let's face it, there are only three things to tax:

1) Consumption, through sales taxes, or flat excise taxes on a purchase.
2) Income taxes, which simply tax the amount gained during an annual accounting period, minus certain allowable exemptions and deductions.
3) Wealth taxes, which have can keep constant, even though nothing new is acquired or something existing is sold or disposed of. There are often exemptions and exclusions on what is taxed in this way. Property taxes are a common example of this type of tax.

I think we can both agree that tax type #1 hurts the poorest people, especially if food, medical care, and housing are not exempted. Even if they are, there are still the non-food items that lower income people need that subject them to this tax, no matter how great their needs or limited their incomes.

As for the difference between the other two types of taxes, #2 is much more often than not a "secret" tax, you don't know for sure what any other person is using of the allowable deductions, exemptions, exclusions and credits. The tax return document of the taxpayer is not usually visible to an outside watchdog group, and is more often than not, not fully audited by the taxing authority past simple mathematical accuracy and matching of required reporting. On the other hand, I can find out precisely how many dollars everybody in my town is paying for their homes or their business properties, if somebody worked out a sweetheart deal with the assessor, I can smoke that out.

You see why I tend to view property taxes with less scorn and suspicion than I do the other two types of taxes.

TexasTowelie

(112,417 posts)
5. Interesting idea, but I think it could get troublesome.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:36 PM
Feb 2012

The issue is how would they appraise intellectual property. Would it be assessed against patents and/or copyrights? What about internal process applications that have neither?

It is difficult to get reasonable, fair appraisals on tangible assets. Therefore, I could certainly see some problems arise when trying to tax something like intellectual property. For instance, I wrote programming code for the proprietary databases at a prior employer where I was a stat analyst. One of my more notable projects include developing a database that cost about $5,000 to develop but saved nearly a half million down the road in reduced labor costs. Would you tax the initial investment or the realized gains?

I imagine that others might have concerns that I haven't mentioned. I just don't know how it would be feasible.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
7. How many Stephens Media papers are in Texas?
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 08:11 PM
Feb 2012

We already know that each article is worth $75,000.00 according to Righthaven/Stephens Media.

How many copies of Microsoft Windows? Microsoft retains ownership.

northoftheborder

(7,574 posts)
8. I've always thought a state income tax would be a better way to fund education.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:45 AM
Feb 2012

Property taxes are unfair, inequitable, leave too many poor districts inadequately funded. But income taxes are considered EVIL in Texas.

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