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mahatmakanejeeves

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Wed Jan 31, 2018, 09:53 PM Jan 2018

Virginia General Assembly kills legislation to let cities remove Confederate statues

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Virginia General Assembly kills legislation to let cities remove Confederate statues

BY GRAHAM MOOMAW Richmond Times-Dispatch 4 hrs ago

Recycled talking points from Republican Ed Gillespie's gubernatorial campaign weren't enough to save legislation to make it easier for Virginia localities to decide the fate of their Confederate statues. ... Early Wednesday morning, a House of Delegates subcommittee overwhelmingly voted down a series of bills to facilitate the removal or relocation of Confederate monuments.

Because another panel already voted down a similar bill in the Senate, Wednesday's vote means that Virginia, a state steeped in Civil War history that has more Confederate monuments than anywhere else in the country, won't be getting rid of its memorials to the Lost Cause any time soon. ... Top Virginia Democrats, including Gov. Ralph Northam, called last year for Confederate statues to be taken down, saying they're seen by many as painful reminders of racial injustice and white supremacy.

"William Faulkner said 'The past is never dead. It's not even the past.' And I think that's how people see these memorials," said Del. Mark Levine, D-Alexandria, who sponsored a bill to allow statues to be moved to museums. Levine noted that in last year's campaign Gillespie, Northam and even "the third guy," Libertarian Cliff Hyra, agreed localities should make statue decisions.

Only one non-lawmaker, the city of Alexandria's legislative director Sarah Taylor, showed up at the 7:30 a.m. meeting to speak in favor of bills that would let Alexandria move its "Appomattox" statue away from the middle of a busy intersection. ... Several pro-statue speakers denounced the bills as part of a cultural purge akin to burning books or destroying art. Ed Willis, of Richmond argued that removing statues is unconstitutional because it discriminates against "Confederate national origin."
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Virginia General Assembly kills legislation to let cities remove Confederate statues (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 OP
The Confederacy was not a nation. It was a failure. shenmue Jan 2018 #1
It had a president, a vice-president, cabinet officers, a legislature, judiciary, mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #2
No, it was a treasonous part of the USA. I don't recognize it, never will. shenmue Jan 2018 #4
It lacked one very important requirement atreides1 Jan 2018 #5
FYI - Virginia operates under the "Dillon Rule" almost everything has to go through the G. A. underpants Jan 2018 #3

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,586 posts)
2. It had a president, a vice-president, cabinet officers, a legislature, judiciary,
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:02 PM
Jan 2018

currency, postage stamps, an army, a navy, ambassadors....

Sorry, no air force.

Sounds like a nation to me.

atreides1

(16,091 posts)
5. It lacked one very important requirement
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jan 2018

The CSA was never officially recognized as an independent nation, it was nothing more then a group rebellious states!

The government of the United States (the Union) rejected the claims of secession and considered the Confederacy illegitimate.
No foreign government officially recognized the Confederacy as an independent country, although Great Britain and France granted it belligerent status, which allowed Confederate agents to contract with private concerns for arms and other supplies.

During the four years of its existence under trial by war, the Confederate States of America asserted its independence and appointed dozens of diplomatic agents abroad. None were ever officially recognized by a foreign government. The United States government regarded the southern states in rebellion and so refused any formal recognition of their status.

underpants

(182,868 posts)
3. FYI - Virginia operates under the "Dillon Rule" almost everything has to go through the G. A.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jan 2018

Localities have almost no power unless the General Assembly allows it.
15-20 years ago Hampton Roads wanted to levy a 1/2 a cent sales tax on themselves specifically for road work and construction (bad traffic) but couldn't even put it on the ballot unless the G. A. let them. The G. A. said no.


What is the Dillon Rule?
The Dillon Rule is used in interpreting law when there is a question of whether or not a local government has a certain power. Lawyers call it the rule of statutory construction.
Dillon's Rule construes grants of power to localities very narrowly. The bottom law is -- if there is a question about a local government's power or authority, then the local government does NOT receive the benefit of the doubt. Under Dillon's Rule, one must assume the local government does NOT have the power in question.
In legal language, the first part of Dillon's Rule reads like this: Local Governments have only three types of powers: 1.) Those granted in express words; 2.) Those necessarily or fairly implied in or incident to the powers expressly granted; and 3.) Those essential to the declared objects and purposes of the corporation, not simply convenient, but indespensible.
It is the second part of the Dillon Rule, however, that puts the vise on local government's powers.
This part states that if there is any reasonable doubt whether a power has been conferred on a local government, then the power has NOT been conferred. This is known as the rule of local government powers.
http://www.patobannon.com/frequently-asked-questions/what-is-the-dillon-rule

Here too
http://www.virginiaplaces.org/government/dillon.html

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