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tavalon

(27,985 posts)
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:47 PM Oct 2013

Scabs and crossing picket lines

I figured this would be a good day to talk about my personal feelings around all that.

To start with, I am a nurse and a union member. Our union doesn't require membership to get the benefits of union representation. I think that is a big mistake. So, I pay the dues that aren't mandatory, because for me, they are. I come from a blue collar, union family and I spent many a year as a nurse in "right to work" states (translation - no unions and screw you) so I know the value of a union, even a weak union.

Many years ago, when I was a travel nurse, I use to get offers to work strikes. The money was astounding. They could have offered me 100 times what they did and I wouldn't have done it. My soul wouldn't be able to handle that stain. At the time, I was single and not in great need. I'm not single now, but not in great need, so I wouldn't be a scab for all the money in the world. But here's the thing. I don't know what those people who choose to cross picket lines and work during a strike are dealing with. I don't know what the people taking the scab positions are dealing with. They might be starving, with starving children. I will not judge them. Now, if a person doesn't need the money, I ask that you do a gut check, no, three or four gut checks before choosing to be a scab.

Crossing a picket line. I have never and I will never (Goddess willing) cross a picket line. I hope that anyone who can find alternatives will choose not to cross the picket line. But again, what do I know about the person crossing the picket line? Not one single thing. I will not judge but I will ask you to try to find alternatives. The only way to get management to the table is to bring them to their knees. And these workers need to get back to work as soon as they can.

Only through solidarity can we truly effect change.

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Scabs and crossing picket lines (Original Post) tavalon Oct 2013 OP
We were just discussing this in our household Ron Obvious Oct 2013 #1
Albertsons employees are also striking. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #2
Thanks for the correction... Ron Obvious Oct 2013 #4
Albertson's is also striking tavalon Oct 2013 #3
Know where to shop for groceries in the event that UFCW members go on strike eridani Oct 2013 #5
Thank you, you said that well tavalon Oct 2013 #6
That was Andrew Villenueve, of the NW Progressive Institute eridani Oct 2013 #8
I'd kiss a Republican before I'd cross a picket line. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #7
Last minute negotiations avert striike eridani Oct 2013 #9
I got the text tavalon Oct 2013 #11
The Scab riverwalker Oct 2013 #10
I get all of this and yet, tavalon Oct 2013 #12
My first job offer when we moved to Seattle in 1982 was to scab for striking teachers-- eridani Oct 2013 #13
I drove into a mess in 95 DiverDave Oct 2013 #14
 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
1. We were just discussing this in our household
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 04:48 PM
Oct 2013

And I'm in agreement with you: we won't cross a picket line either. So if the strike goes ahead, that means no QFC, Fred Meyer, or Safeway.

That leaves Costco, Trader Joe's, Albertsons, and Top Foods. I know the first two have a reputation for treating their workers well, but they don't carry everything we need. Is Top Foods even unionised at all? Albertsons doesn't strike me as a particularly good place to work either.

Where should we shop if the strike goes ahead?

Damn, I still miss the old Larry's Markets...

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,234 posts)
2. Albertsons employees are also striking.
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 04:56 PM
Oct 2013

One alternative I haven't seen discussed is Winco. They're employee owned and have pretty good prices.

I'm lucky to have one in my neighborhood.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
4. Thanks for the correction...
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 05:05 PM
Oct 2013

We don't have a Winco around here I don't think, but Red Apple Markets might also be an option, though it's a bit far to go.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
3. Albertson's is also striking
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 04:59 PM
Oct 2013

We'll just have to do our best and be flexible. Whole Foods and PCC are other options, but pricey.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
5. Know where to shop for groceries in the event that UFCW members go on strike
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 05:47 PM
Oct 2013

http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2013/10/know-where-to-shop-for-groceries-in-the-event-that-ufcw-members-go-on-strike.html

As of this morning, we are twelve hours away from a possible strike against Fred Meyer, Safeway, Albertson’s, and QFC by our brothers and sisters in the United Food & Commercial Workers, Local 21. The hardworking members of Local 21 are trying to negotiate a new contract with the big chains, but so far, they have been unable to reach an agreement. UFCW Local 21?s members have authorized a strike in the event an agreement is not reached by 7 PM tonight.

In preparation for the strike, the chains have begun putting out signs announcing that they may soon be hiring temporary workers (or scabs, in union parlance).

If there is a strike, we ask that all of our readers honor it by not shopping at any Fred Meyer, Safeway, QFC, or Albertson’s store until the workers agree on a contract with the management of these companies, which are represented by Allied Employers. Stand in solidarity with UFCW workers – don’t cross a picket line.

And even if there isn’t a picket line, don’t go into a store where workers have walked off the job because they were unable to obtain a fair contract.

Here are the sticking points in the negotiations, according to UFCW:

•No healthcare coverage for everyone working less than 30 hours a week (and that means they will cut hours so no one works more than 30 hours/week).
•No time-and-a-half on holidays
•No cost of living wage increase and massive cuts in many parts of their contracts.
Negotiations have been ongoing for months, but have not resulted in an agreement. Time is running out and it looks like a walkout could be imminent.

UFCW has posted a map and a list of all of the local, unionized grocers in Western Washington where you can take your business during a strike. If you’re into eating healthy and eating organic, you’ll be glad to know PCC Natural Markets is on the list of stores that are safe to patronize. You can also shop at Metropolitan Market, Haggen, Top Food & Drug, or Uwajimaya stores.

UFCW also has a list of pharmacies in King County that will be unaffected by the strike. Hopefully they’ll update that list to make it more comprehensive.

By boycotting the aforementioned big chains in the event of a labor dispute, you’re supporting their workers’ efforts to win a fair contract.

The Stand has more information about the negotiations between UFCW and Allied Employers (Fred Meyer, QFC, Safeway, and Albertson’s).

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
6. Thank you, you said that well
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 06:28 PM
Oct 2013

And I am merely going to kick it, not that the Washington site gets much traffic.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
8. That was Andrew Villenueve, of the NW Progressive Institute
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:17 PM
Oct 2013

That's my home page--it has all manner of links to local news of interest to progressives in WA, OR and ID.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
7. I'd kiss a Republican before I'd cross a picket line.
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 07:50 PM
Oct 2013

Don't know how to describe my disgust any better.

Besides, if I ever did, legions of my ancestors would haunt me to an early well deserved grave.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
9. Last minute negotiations avert striike
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:19 PM
Oct 2013
http://seattletimes.com/html/latestnews/2022097509_grocerystrikexml.html

Just two hours before a 7 p.m. strike deadline, two big grocery unions said they reached a tentative agreement in labor talks with four supermarket chains Monday.

Union negotiators said they unanimously recommended the new contract, but workers still must give their approval. Vote meetings have yet to be arranged, and no other details were given.

Talks between the unions and four major grocery chains — Albertson’s, Fred Meyer, Safeway and QFC — affected about 21,000 workers in King, Kitsap, Pierce, Snohomish, Thurston and Mason counties.

Allied Employers, which represented the companies throughout negotiations, said in a statement that the agreement “continues to preserve good wages, secure pensions and access to quality, affordable health care for our employees.”

Union spokesman Tom Geiger, who represents United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW), said labor negotiators are “very pleased” with the proposed new terms, and that’s “reflected in their unanimous recommendation.”

He added that they included not only union leaders, but also about two dozen grocery workers. The union locals involved were Teamsters 38 and UFCW 21 and 367

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
10. The Scab
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 11:31 PM
Oct 2013

The Scab
by Jack London, (1876-1916)

After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.

Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.

No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with.

Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.

Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commision in the british army.

The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.

A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.





tavalon

(27,985 posts)
12. I get all of this and yet,
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 11:49 PM
Oct 2013

until I've walked in the shoes of a mother trying to feed her children, I cannot look down upon her if she chooses to be a scab. I just can't. But those who don't need to be scabs are everything you just described, in spades.

I remember when I got that first fax for working a strike in California (California nurses rock!), my eyes almost popped out of my sockets. I couldn't believe how much money they wanted to throw at me. And they used the line that the patients needed nurses (not mentioning that the patients had been moved to other facilities because strikes are never called with no notice - nurses care).

I looked at the piece of paper and spat on it, then I threw it in the recycle.

This was easily 15 years ago. I'm sure they are offering double that now, but I pray I am never in a situation where that is my only option. I couldn't look myself in the eyes.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
13. My first job offer when we moved to Seattle in 1982 was to scab for striking teachers--
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 02:25 AM
Oct 2013

--at Seattle Central Community College. Funds were getting low, but I thought we could hang on a bit longer. Besides the obvious moral issue, there was the 100% certainty that I would permanently alienate possible future colleagues.

DiverDave

(4,887 posts)
14. I drove into a mess in 95
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:04 AM
Oct 2013

I was unaware that the company I was picking up from was in a strike.
I couldnt turn around, I couldnt back up.
I went in and got shot at.
That was IT, I told my company that I would NEVER cross a line.
Not only because it was the right thing, but dang, bullets sting
They sent me (again, damnit) to a auto plant, the union hall was right across the street.
The gate had 2-300 folks in front. I left.
I threatened to quit, I dropped the trailer in a yard somewhere and never had that problem again.

I wont cross a line, at work or on my own time.

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