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Scott Walker strikes 'truth,' 'human condition' from Wisconsin Idea
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)We need good little non-union low-wage no benefits worker bees.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)I kinda get that, maybe the need for that......
But this, this bullshit move, strikes me as petty, vindictive, and completely unneeded
Is it true that this beady-eyed jerk never graduated from college? Is it true that at Marquette he cheated just to get a "C" ?
This man cannot be president of this nation
TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)he never finished college.
actually he was "asked to leave" marquette for having piss poor academic integrity
He allegedly balanced the budget last time with Act 10 (cuts to public schools). A better question is why isn't the budget balanced now and why do we need further cuts?
TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)it is such a shame to see the state which used to be the progressive bastion of the midwest be turned so quickly into such a backwards, decaying corporate pig trough through the effects of morons and money.
some years ago when Doyle was still gov. after high school, i was in tech school training to be a welder, and one of the instructors was a right wing extremist gun nut MORAN. it was difficult listening to the vitriolic hateful antisocial tripe spew from this idiot's foaming mouth "these DEATHOCRATS ARE GONNA TAIK MAH GUNZZ!!!" "YOU NEED TO READ UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES!!!" "TAXES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL" i mostly ignored it, i should have realized that it was a harbinger of whats to come....
most of the Wisconsinites i've met are very nice people, but the rest of them, like the aforementioned asshole,are still patting themselves on the back for electing this Koch tool and are behind him 100%, even though they are getting screwed so hard that they cannot even feel it anymore.
Wisconsin was where Gaylord Nelson founded Earth Day, for fucks sake; what the hell happened between now and then??
Can Wisconsin ever recover, or will Walker's corporate DeathStar continue to zap progress wherever it exists in the state until it is a bigger fracked-up hellhole than oklahoma?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)It was revulsion at the state of affairs brought about by the railroad and timber magnates that inspired LaFollette to launch the Progressive movement. And the Wisconsin Idea was the brainchild of Bob LaFollette: "The bounds of the University are the bounds of the State."
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Says it was a "drafting error". Sure, ya right
He is such a politician. Got caught with his pants down and his head up his ass and says it was some sort of typo
All Scott Walker cares about is Scott Walker
snacker
(3,619 posts)Earlier in the day:
http://www.wrn.com/2015/02/walker-wants-removal-of-wisconsin-idea/
The focus would be honed in, in particular to look at making sure that we prepare individuals in this state . . . for the jobs and opportunities that are available in the state, Walker said during a stop in DePere on Wednesday.
Learnings important, but ultimately its most important for people to get the chance to get the education that they need to succeed in the workforce and in life, Walker said.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)We all know it's a lie
Funny all this individuals, jobs and opportunities "in the state"
The UW system brings people from all over the world and sends them all over as well
They are testing ideas for the POTUS election. This one fell flat
CatholicEdHead
(9,740 posts)and if it has not been done in other states already, it will be pushed out in more long term traditional red states at the university level.
Expect a retrenching, a longer term push on right wing media to follow W's word of advice from 2005
"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
It is coming, it needs a few months to a couple years to simmer on the AM and Fox News circuit and will be pushed nationally in the next 10yrs or so.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)that our state has elected him as a leader
alterfurz
(2,474 posts)--that wasn't a naked power grab you saw, just a wardrobe malfunction!
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Man you Wisconsin Idea folks are smart, fast and funny.
Finest kind may it be spread far and wide. This guy needs to be stopped.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)Right now NO to the plan is winning with 62%.
http://www.jsonline.com/polls/290811861.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=2&pid=290811861&cid=8500544
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)a kennedy
(29,707 posts)backwards indeed.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)ladym55
(2,577 posts)When your plan is to train little cogs for the wholly owned Midwest subsidiary of Koch Bros Industries (formerly known as the State of Wisconsin), who needs silly little phrases about truth and human condition. I mean, really.
I keep thinking that the traditional Wisconsin Republicans who voted for Scottie because he was, well, Republican will begin to show some buyer's remorse. This man is a menace, and it is giving me cold chills that the Koch Bros will be funding his race for the White House.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)They should raise hell with their legislators about Walker's plans.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)It is a pdf file....
Patrick Marley ?@patrickdmarley 3h3 hours ago
Here's the Jan. 29 email to @ScottWalker administration urging that changes not be made to @wisidea. http://bit.ly/1LRh4A2
GusBob
(7,286 posts)In his comments today did he try to blame UW admins or say they approved the changes or knew about them?
Callous and brazen bullcrap
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Walker is blaming it on his staff---he even had one of his Adminstrative bosses [not himself] call Cross--the UW system chancellor and apologize. In either case--Walker 'knows nothing'--it was his staff's fault.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)https://soundcloud.com/journalsentinel/scott-walker-on-wisconsin-idea
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riversedge
(70,299 posts)I do not think I have gone over the limit of posting as there are many one sentence 'paragraphs"
Walker forced to admit UW objected to Wisconsin Idea changes
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/documents-show-walker-administration-seeking-removal-of-uws-wisconsin-idea-b99439710z1-290927651.html
By Jason Stein, Patrick Marley and Karen Herzog of the Journal Sentinel
Feb. 5, 2015
Madison Gov. Scott Walker and aides scrambled Thursday to respond to revelations that his administration had insisted to University of Wisconsin officials on scrapping the Wisconsin Idea, the guiding principle for the state's universities for more than a century.
In a rapid revision to his own comments on Wednesday, the Republican governor acknowledged that UW System officials had raised objections about the proposal.
They had been told the changes were not open to debate.
While backtracking on earlier comments to reporters, Walker continued to insist in a statement that he hadn't known what his own administration was doing until after the proposal became public and caused a firestorm of criticism.
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On Jan. 29 five days before Walker introduced his budget the UW System's John Yingling sent an email to the state budget office flagging concerns about the proposed changes and then followed up by phone. Yingling is a special assistant to Ray Cross, the system's president.
"We strongly urge that stricken language is unique to depicting the character, mission, and vision of the UW System," Yingling wrote, according to an email released Thursday under the state's open records law.
On Wednesday, Walker initially expressed no concerns when questioned by a reporter about the proposed changes to the system's mission statements.
"Learning's important, but ultimately it's most important for people to get the chance to get the education they need to succeed in the workforce and in life," Walker said during a stop in De Pere, according to Wisconsin Radio Network.
But later that day, he backed away from the changes by saying they had been included because of a drafting error or oversight in his budget. He further implied that UW System officials saw the changes and "somehow overlooked" them.
On Thursday he acknowledged that, in fact, UW System officials had thrown up red flags and been rebuffed.
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"To me, in the end it was a confusion out there," Walker said of the proposed changes. "It was a mistake that someone made. Someone assumed one thing when the idea was we weren't going to add anything more (to the budget), they assumed that that meant we were going to keep a blank, simple mission statement. That's why I immediately said yesterday in a tweet, 'It's no big deal.'
Walker made his comments soon after the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Thursday that the drafting file for the budget bill showed two instances one in December and another in January in which the Walker administration's budget shop requested the specific changes to the mission statement.
Later, he released the long statement attempting a further explanation"....
GusBob
(7,286 posts)God does that piss me off. Looks as if they were double stupidly wrong
thanks for all the information, riversedge
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Rates up there with best comments yet IMHO
Some critics said that trying to alter what UW stands for says a lot about Walker.
The governors move to amputate the Wisconsin Idea of public service from the mission statement of the University of Wisconsin is arrogant, ignorant, and deliberately provocative, State Rep. Dianne Hesselbein, D-Middleton, a member of the Assembly Committee on Colleges and Universities, said in a statement. He didnt need to do it, and the fact that he has reveals his contempt for Wisconsins core values.
Walker's 1,839-page budget bill introduces a range of changes in the structure of state agencies, including the creation of the University of Wisconsin System Authority. The authority will be governed by a reconstituted Board of Regents and exercise greater autonomy over spending, human resources and some other functions than the university previously held.
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UW-Madison Chancellor Rebecca Blank tweeted that the Wisconsin Idea "is and always will be central to the mission of this university.
The proposal to junk UWs core philosophy started a conversation at #WisconsinIdea, where alumni and others expressed surprise and outrage............
Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/pat_schneider/reaction-to-scott-walker-s-rewrite-of-uw-mission-strong/article_ba67741f-4444-5b1c-a6a9-f41c9b18a41c.html#ixzz3Qv7eFWLw
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Sums it up nicely what I've been thinking. It's like a deliberate slap to the face and offensive, for no known need or reason.....been thinking that Walker might truly hate Wisconsin or a lot of it's people. Certainly it's public sector employees
This man CANNOT become president of our nation
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)This was in fact deliberately provocative. This is Walker picking a fight.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)http://www.thenation.com/blog/197121/scott-walker-objects-search-truth#
....The Wisconsin Idea, which is much discussed but not always so much understood in the present day, has always been always been about seeking the truth, and about applying the results of that search not just to curriculum choices but to the policies and programs of the state.
The statutes of the state of Wisconsin detail a vision of the role of the University of Wisconsin rooted in this Wisconsin Idea, which holds that the mission of the UW is both to educate students and to provide information and ideas to solve the challenges facing the state and its citizens. Outlined more than a century ago in the language of longtime University of Wisconsin President Charles Van Hise, Governor Robert M. La Follette and their progressive allies, the Wisconsin Idea has always held that the boundaries of the university are the boundaries of the state.
What this meant, practically, was that when farmers faced a challenge, UW professors did research to help them address it. When city officials were looking to improve sanitation, UW professors provided assistance. When state and local officials were looking to assure that elections were fair and functional, UW professors analyzed and responded to proposals. And when new technologies developed, such as radio and television, the UW utilized them to spread knowledge and ideas to Wisconsinites who might never set foot on a campus. (Notably, Walkers budget also proposes cuts to Wisconsin Public Radio and Wisconsin Public Television.)
The Wisconsin Idea has always held that democracy requires an informed and engaged citizenry, and that academics and researchers should pursue the truth in order to serve that citizenry.
For decades, this vision has been detailed in the Wisconsin Statutes that reference the UW System. The mission of the system is to develop human resources, to discover and disseminate knowledge, to extend knowledge and its application beyond the boundaries of its campuses and to serve and stimulate society by developing in students heightened intellectual, cultural and humane sensitivities, scientific, professional and technological expertise and a sense of purpose, the statutes explain. Inherent in this broad mission are methods of instruction, research, extended training and public service designed to educate people and improve the human condition. Basic to every purpose of the system is the search for truth.....
GusBob
(7,286 posts)During the recall he would appear into the Ed Show, Ed Shultz radio. He was always very informative and well spoken. Always has great points backed by facts and well versed on the issues
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Chris marches the march--she participated in the Capitol's Solidarity sing Alongs many times also.
Chris Taylor (D) I think the point is that there was a serious attempt to trash & gut our university system http://www.wrn.com/2015/02/democrats-skeptical-of-walkers-statements-on-wisconsin-idea/
#p2
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Walker needs his National election talking point when speaking to his base and the #teaparty--of lowering taxes
Scott Bauer
@GovWalker says he's open to adding money for @UWSystem, K-12 public schools and roads, so long as property taxes still go down
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