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Related: About this forumWhy is Labour promising to be just as tightfisted as the Tories if they get back in?
Do they not realize that committing to "Iron discipline" basically committing to getting voted out four years later because they'll have done nothing meaningful to help those who have lost under the "coalition"?
Why are Labour assuming that, even though they are ten points ahead in the polls, the voters are demanding no deviation at all from the status quo?
Does Ed Miliband have a failure wish?
non sociopath skin
(4,972 posts).... my head is badly bruised from constant banging against a brick wall.
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T_i_B
(14,749 posts)......is that a lot of people still blame Labour for getting us into the current economic mess in the first place. Labour were in charge when the credit crunch started, they were the ones who bailed out the banks.
And there's still a lot of people who blame Labour for overspending when they were in charge, although often the people who blame Labour for all this seem to think that all the money was spent on social security payments for immigrants rather then PFI, bank bailouts and wars in Afghanistan & Iraq.
It's a fair bet that the Tories and Lib Dems will go into the next election still blaming Labour for the ongoing economic mess and therefore many in the Labour party will feel that they need to prove themselves fiscally responsible.
Anarcho-Socialist
(9,601 posts)I think he's concerned that without a neoliberal veneer, Tory Party coffers would be swollen by donations from the ultra-rich desperate to prevent a nominally leftish Labour government.
The "cuts too" mantra gives him cover with the Party's Blairite wing which seeks to destabilise his leadership.
I hope that for all the talk of "tough choices mean some cuts" that Milliband can u-turn in power and commit the government to protecting the welfare state and vastly increasing capital spending.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,368 posts)It's the only specific policy I've seen given for this 'iron discipline' approach; the amounts involved are pretty tiny compared with the overall budget. It may be that Balls and Miliband see it as a symbolic cut they can do without actually affecting many people (and those who are affected are well off, and more likely to be Tory, to boot).
The Labour leadership is right to do this and Ill happily reiterate why.
1) There is no evidence that offering universal pensioner benefits preserves support for universal benefits more broadly. Basically, people support benefits they get, but not other types of benefits such as for the unemployed or low paid.
In other words, supporting universal pensioner benefits does not preserve support for the principle of universal benefits more broadly. So I dont see whats the point of defending the principle in every single case.
2) Not every form of social security needs to be universal. Conservatives and left-wing critics say cutting rich pensioner benefits will save little but this is likely to explode over coming years as the population ages and immigration falls. It will soon be a substantial amount, and it will have to be paid for somehow.
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http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/06/03/why-labour-is-right-to-abandon-winter-fuel-allowance-for-rich-pensioners/