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Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:00 PM Feb 2014

Mac Filter vs WPA encryption.

I learned that Cisco Linksys does not have a stealth mode for the wireless. What they recommend in place of that is a Mac Filter. Essentially, you only allow certain mac addresses through the router. When I tried it, however, it said that WPA encryption would be disabled if I use the Mac Filter. I talked myself out of it when it occurred to me that someone could mac clone my address, somehow. I realize they still need the password, but, that's just one step away from getting in.

Does anyone know about Mac Filters enough to weigh in?

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Mac Filter vs WPA encryption. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 OP
Are you sure that you don't mean WPS will be disabled? Thor_MN Feb 2014 #1
WPS. You are probably right. I'm going by memory. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #2
Yes, the filter is usually a "whitelist", the MACs that are allowed to connect. Thor_MN Feb 2014 #3
I don't know how valid the concern would be with a security camera DVR, if it was Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #4
If you don't have WPA2 enabled, attackers can see the MACs clear as day sir pball Feb 2014 #8
Who is going to not have WPA/WPA2 not enabled? Thor_MN Feb 2014 #10
*If* it really is either-or, stick with the encryption. sir pball Feb 2014 #5
Hello sir pball Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #6
Always glad to help! sir pball Feb 2014 #7
That's good to know. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #9
 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
1. Are you sure that you don't mean WPS will be disabled?
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:49 PM
Feb 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Setup

WPS is the feature that allows "easy" setup and is vulnerable to brute forces attack. Disabling WPS is actually reccomended if the router allows it. To spoof the MAC address of one of your devices would mean that it would need to be acquired by an attacker in the first place, then they would still need your WPA or WPA2 passcode.

The disadvantage to a MAC filter would be if you wanted to allow someone to use your WiFi temporarily ( a guest) or when you get a new device and you have to go and add the MAC address to the filter to allow it to connect.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
2. WPS. You are probably right. I'm going by memory.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:31 AM
Feb 2014

I think I confused WPS with WPA.


When guests come to visit, I can always switch it back.

So, every device that has a Mac address would need to be input? Laptops, DVR and the Iphone?

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
3. Yes, the filter is usually a "whitelist", the MACs that are allowed to connect.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:38 AM
Feb 2014

I think most routers also allow a "blacklist", those not allowed to connect, as well. This is most useful if you want to annoy a specific person...

MACs, for the most part, are random values out of 2 to the 48th possibilities, so it's a game of keeping up with each device. Not much chance of getting a MAC spoofed, unless you allow the device out of your hands and into the hands of a determined attacker or connect to your attacker's network, where it could be recorded.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
4. I don't know how valid the concern would be with a security camera DVR, if it was
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:41 AM
Feb 2014

installed by an outside party. In that case, the technician would be aware of the MAC address.

Still, he would need to get the router's WPA encryption code.

Updated to add that I found this on the internet: "It is important to note that you CAN disable the WPS feature in the Advanced Configuration should you need to."

So I'm good to go.

Thank you!

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
8. If you don't have WPA2 enabled, attackers can see the MACs clear as day
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:11 PM
Feb 2014

It's utterly trivial on an open network; just put your laptop into monitor mode and you can see all the packets to and fro the open AP. Including the MAC addresses. Spoofing an already-active one may cause a collision, sure, but that's an awfully weak form of security. If you never have guests on your (encrypted) network, whitelists can't hurt, but they aren't really as much help as they can be made out to be.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
10. Who is going to not have WPA/WPA2 not enabled?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 03:57 PM
Feb 2014

If one knows that a MAC filter even exists, they are not going to be leaving security off unless they are deliberately asking for trouble. The OP was about a MAC filter disabling WPS, not WPA. I know that it says WPA, but the poster has already confirmed that it is WPS that gets disabled, not WPA.

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
5. *If* it really is either-or, stick with the encryption.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:00 PM
Feb 2014

Assuming you have a good password it's always the first and most secure option.

What router are you using, though? I have a Linksys WRT54 (the good old indestructible blue one) and it support stealth mode...it's under the Security tab, Firewall section, "block anonymous internet requests". I have it active, and I can turn on MAC whitelisting as well. I don't, because I let houseguests connect, but I could have both WPA2 and whitelisting enabled should I wish.

Baitball Blogger

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6. Hello sir pball
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:00 PM
Feb 2014


I had confused WPS with WPA. I have disconnected the WPS and now that you told me what the magic words are to look for to go into stealth mode, I will probably do that next.

Thanks!

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
7. Always glad to help!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:02 PM
Feb 2014

Stealth mode may mess up your security camera though - that's an anonymous internet request.

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