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Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 06:08 AM Oct 2014

I am so sick of Democrats running away from issues

I don't know how many others feel as I do, but I'm sick and tired of Dems running away from issues that cd do them good.

Let me give some examples. The ACA. Grimes in KY refuses to contest McC's idiotic statement that the ACA is the worst piece of legislation ever. Whey doesn't she say something like this, "I'm amazed at Sen McC's statement that ------. Let him tell that to the ----(number) of KY-ians who for the first time have real health care. Let him tell that to many thousands of others in KY who have REAL insurance finally. Does McC want us to go back to the days when you cd lose your health care or never get insurance because of a pre-existing condition, etc. etc. etc."

I mean My God by saying nothing you just yield the field to the idiots spouting lies. Why not tell the truth. For example, "Yes it's true as McC says that the insurance rates are going up under the ACA, but what he doesn't tell you is that if you didn't have the ACA, the rates would be going up ten times more. Have we already forgotten what it was like before the ACA?

For God's sake, argue, debate. Don't just hang your head and act as if these idiots have a good argument. If you don't have the guts to stand up for the TRUTH and for Democratic ideals, what to hell are you in politics for?

Or take this universal refusal to mention Obama as if Obama is some sort of leper or untouchable. When McC asked Grimes who she voted for, why didn't she just tell the truth and then turn it on McC. "I'm a Democrat Senator. I voted for the Democrat on the ticket. Who did you vote for? Sarah Palin being one step from the White House? John McCain who never saw a war he didn't like or want to continue forever?

This is so dispiriting to Dems to hear their candidates acting so spineless and meek. This is politics for God's sake.

I mean who feels the same way That I do about this? The only reason they do this is the advice of these leeches that think they want to hew to the center. To hell with the center. There are issues where you can do that. But when the facts are so much in your favor and where the American people are even on your side, WHY NOT TAKETHE FIGHT TO THEM INSTEAD OF HANGING YOUR HEAD LIKE A BEATEN DOG? It makes me want to just give up, which is how it must make the American people as a whole feel as well.

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on point

(2,506 posts)
2. Dems need to make the case for their ideas in order to win. That's leadership.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 06:32 AM
Oct 2014

If you can't make the case for your position then you don't belong in office.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
4. It should be that simple.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 07:04 AM
Oct 2014

That's all that should be considered. Unfortunately, no matter which side of the aisle you're on, fear of the other is the primary motivation for voting.

Even more unfortunately, that probably isn't going to change soon. I have been waiting 6 years for Democrats to tell me why I should vote for them. The Republicans have been doing a brilliant job telling me about what Democrats have done, since they don't seem willing to say for themselves.

On almost every issue, the liberal policy has the broadest support. In 2008, Democrats knew that. They used that. They gave us hope and change and they won. They won because Democrats turned out for hope.

This election season, fear is the tactic. People on a progressive board, on a site full of the most politically active, progressive, Dem-supporting people, and yet we get thread after thread about how many fear-mongering emails the DNC and other organizations send out and how much we hate them. The focus is never on what Dems in Congress have done, or will do. It's always on Republicans and how if we don't vote for a Dem, we're going to regret it. I mean, look at Grimes! Democrats are so ashamed to be Democrats that they run from even saying they voted for a Dem president. It's sad. (And yes, I know Kentucky is a red state. I don't give a flying fuck. Maybe if we didn't sit back and let the Repubs lie about our policies for the last 4-6 years, then it wouldn't be a problem.)

I'm happy I have Merkley and Wyden to support back home. I'll be one of the lucky few who have something to vote for.

democrank

(11,095 posts)
3. Democratic leaders should take a few lessons from the way Howard Dean frames an issue
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 06:55 AM
Oct 2014

or responds to Republican/media criticism. He`s fearless, cuts through the BS, gets to the core of the issue and explains things without using current politics-speak. His direct, plain-spoken responses are really like a breath of fresh air.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. Yeah and Howard Dean has been exiled by the Democratic "Leadership".
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 10:22 AM
Oct 2014

IMHO the Democratic "Leadership" is owned by the American Aristocracy and they want to discourage dynamic, outspoken Democrats.

The Democratic base has to support progressive leaders.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. It's not just Kentucky. Seems like most of the nation's Democratic leadership ...
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 07:40 AM
Oct 2014

... has been taken over by conservatives. They're either pushing a "Republican-lite" agenda or none at all.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
8. K&R
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 08:04 AM
Oct 2014

You have said what I think many of us are thinking.

Running on a "hey, look at how bad they are" platform doesn't tell me what you stand for.

In the workings of politics, the most important issue we face is money in politics, imho. But the most important, life changing, touches us all issue, is racism and the police state we have become. Where are the Democrats supporting the biggest movement of our time? Just like the beginning of the marriage equality movement and protests against the illegal war in Iraq, they're nowhere to be found.

We have become a party that is allowing ourselves to be pushed further and further to the right. If the people we were in the 1970s (for us older folks) were here now, they might be ashamed.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. The message of the GOP is that "Obamacare" isn't for white people...
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 08:47 AM
Oct 2014

She needs to show actual WHITE PEOPLE who now have health care under "Obamacare".

Another thing the Republicans are claiming is the "Affordable Care Act" is the Republican answer to "Obamacare" as if THEY created it. They are comfortable with lying to the public because they have right wing talkers backing them up on the radio and on TV.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
10. It is astounding that
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 08:51 AM
Oct 2014

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the dem's don't stand up for what our party believes and supports. Why? I personally don't get it. However, I will never vote for any GOP candidate, EVER!!!! I guess you could say I have seen the light.

I do, however, think everyone is fed up with government from both sides, and quite frankly don't give a shit about their future, or their children's future. Thus the reason for low voter turnout.

As for why the dem's don't stand up and argue, debate, or publicize what they stand for is a 10 million dollar question. And yes, they could start with the ACA. Why anyone is against national healthcare for all just blows my mind. Long story short. I am on the ACA, where it would cost me and my wife 1240 a month to insure us. I pay 550. Is that too high? Yes, but going without insurance is a suicide pact. You risk losing everything. And I sleep better at night. Without the ACA, I do not know what I would do. More people need to know the facts about the ACA and spread the word. Our party sucks at this.

So why do people even vote for the GOP? They are out to screw the lower and middle class, big time, and give more tax breaks to the rich. If they get control of the Senate this time around, I personally feel it will be worse than putting Rmoney in there. A lot of people don't understand this, and it appears they don't care either. The GOP has accumulated approximately 400 million from the Koch brothers alone, to spread their vile, fear, and hatred and lies. They never tell you the whole truth. IE: Who in their right mind wants to abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and allow them to continue their oligarchy? And the GOP apparently has no problems opening their mouths and sugar coating their lies. They only tell you want they want you to hear, not the whole truth.

Until the dems grow some balls, and actually speak their minds, they will always run a risk of losing elections, and the future to save our democracy.

I'm with you, and I'm quite pissed they have not represented our party very well. They need to debate and educate people on what the Democratic party stand for, and what our current politicians have done to date for the good of this country.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
12. Have been saying this to any fellow Dem who would listen.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:35 AM
Oct 2014

Our local candidate for the 19th Cong. District here in NY is a great guy running against the Teabagger who just happens to be former military in an area of Upstate that is pretty Repuke. Sean Eldredge is our candidate, he is the husband of one of the co-founders of fb and is gay. He is getting slammed by the assholes on the right with terms "he should stay in NYC and suck cock". Shit like that. He is out there pushing just the things we have read on this thread. Being gay makes him more courageous to take on the whackadoodles and he did just great in a tv debate. But, they still slam him. His mom fled Hungary during WWII and is Jewish, ergo another strike against him by the fucking rednecks. Even our local county Dem leader has done NOTHING to set up phone banks to push Sean's candidacy. Just last night, I was at the firehouse for a spaghetti dinner and ask our local county Dem council person if anything was even in the wind. Got a nope. So, I said, fine, I have the voter rolls will call on my own. On top of it the county head is the longest one holding that office in the whole freaking state. Drives around in a government provided new Caddy allegedly supervising elections along with his Repuke counterpart. DISGUSTING.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
14. The DEM. PLAN?
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 10:35 PM
Oct 2014

What is the Democratic Party's PLAN? Long term I mean,- the strategy.
I don't really sense a National Dem. PARTY anymore, but maybe that's me.
Three, five years ago I'd say Pelosi, etc. Not so anymore.
Bizarre. Party seems unanchored, undefined compared to previous times.

 

GuyVelella

(7 posts)
15. People are forgetting it isnt the 80s anymore but the landslide losses from then sting to this day.
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 06:10 AM
Oct 2014

Democrats are really a center right party. Theyre so scared of pissing off the Republicans that they think they have to alienate their base. The problem is the Democrat voters who will blindly accept any Democrat even if all their policies were identical to the Republicans.

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