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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:53 PM Apr 2016

Despite Polls, Republicans See Sanders as an Easier Opponent ~ Bloomberg (HRC GP)

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-18/despite-polls-republicans-see-sanders-as-an-easier-opponent


Despite Polls, Republicans See Sanders as an Easier Opponent
Hillary Clinton would be a more difficult opponent in the general election, some in the GOP believe.


As Bernie Sanders makes his case that he is a stronger general election candidate than Hillary Clinton, he often cites polls showing him outperforming his Democratic rival in hypothetical general election match-ups with Republicans.
"You know, in virtually all of the general election match-up polls between Trump and Secretary Clinton and Trump and Bernie Sanders, in almost all of those polls, I do better than Secretary Clinton," Sanders said Thursday night during the Brooklyn Democratic debate, attributing his strength to independents. "We are not going to win the White House based on just long-term Democratic votes. We have got to reach out to independents and I think I am well qualified to do that."


And yet, prominent Republican operatives are chomping at the bit to face Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont and self-described democratic socialist in the general election, believing he'd be an easier opponent than the former first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of state.
"Republicans are being nice to Bernie Sanders because we like the thought of running against a socialist. But if he were to win the nomination the knives would come out for Bernie pretty quick," said Ryan Williams, a former spokesman for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney's campaign. "There's no mystery what the attack on him would be. Bernie Sanders is literally a card carrying socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union. There'd be hundreds of millions of dollars in Republican ads showing hammers and sickles and Soviet Union flags in front of Bernie Sanders."



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Despite Polls, Republicans See Sanders as an Easier Opponent ~ Bloomberg (HRC GP) (Original Post) Her Sister Apr 2016 OP
Yet I had a woman the other day insist that Bernie Sanders runs better against the Republicans Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #1
bwa-ha-ha-ha sarae Apr 2016 #20
guess bernie hasn't thought about it. DesertFlower Apr 2016 #2
Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #3
No kidding ladym55 Apr 2016 #4
It would be far, FAR nastier than Swiftboat DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #5
Yep. Sanders would be wishing for the days of those Swiftboat liars once the GOP is begins. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #15
Political scientists say those polls mean nothing this far out. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #6
With Karl Rove's PAC American Crossroads running ads against Hillary it is easy to see Rove does not Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #7
We know damn well she would impossible to beat.. they know it and so does BS Cha Apr 2016 #8
Reince Priebus Pika78 Apr 2016 #9
HRC GROUP HERE! Her Sister Apr 2016 #12
Did I miss something? Pika78 Apr 2016 #13
Geesh! I don't know what hit me! Her Sister Apr 2016 #14
No worries! Pika78 Apr 2016 #16
To err is human, HS. We'll love you no matter what! BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #18
Yes, you were and you did it very well. Thanks, Pika! BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #17
No kidding, ya think? BSers are just whistlin' past the graveyard. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #10
He'd become week-old liver pâté. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #19
Sanders can't get most Democrats to vote for him HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #11

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,010 posts)
1. Yet I had a woman the other day insist that Bernie Sanders runs better against the Republicans
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

He has bi-partisan appeal she said.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
20. bwa-ha-ha-ha
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

sure, sure he does...until the Republican ads start coming out against instead of for him.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
2. guess bernie hasn't thought about it.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

just like he hasn't thought about how no one in congress will work with him if he's prez.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
3. Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.


The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Match up polls are worthless because these polls do not measure what would happen to Sanders in a general election where Sanders is very vulnerable to negative ads.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
4. No kidding
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

He can't handle the softballs he's getting now. He has no CLUE what it will be like once the Rethugs unleash their rabid dogs. Swiftboat, anyone?

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
6. Political scientists say those polls mean nothing this far out.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

There's an article discussing it with political scientist in Vox.


It would be funny though... If any of those are online polls, then they would mean even less than absolutely nothing, because Sanders fans coordinate and tactically vote in those skewing the results against, well, reality.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. With Karl Rove's PAC American Crossroads running ads against Hillary it is easy to see Rove does not
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:26 PM
Apr 2016

want to run against Hillary, they know they can crush Sanders.

Pika78

(55 posts)
9. Reince Priebus
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:07 AM
Apr 2016

Can go to hell.

"I think anybody who's analyzed this knows that Hillary Clinton is in the ditch. We don't know how far into the ditch she is going to go, but she's not doing well."

IN THE DITCH? We'll see just how in the ditch she is when she wins this nomination and then goes on to win the general election. Night night, Reince.

Pika78

(55 posts)
13. Did I miss something?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

I was defending Hillary... The RNC Chairman has no business saying that she's not doing well.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
14. Geesh! I don't know what hit me!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016
Apologies!! I need to chill!!

Was before I went to vote which I just did!!

It's supposed to be a great day for us!!

edit: WELCOME TO HRC GROUP!!!



Pika78

(55 posts)
16. No worries!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016
That's what I figured. Tension is running high today - we'll all feel so much better once Hillary locks this thing up and we can move on to the GE!!! I would so love to see Hillary mop the floor with Bernie today!!!
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
10. No kidding, ya think? BSers are just whistlin' past the graveyard.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:15 AM
Apr 2016

BS would beome chopped liver in the GE.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
11. Sanders can't get most Democrats to vote for him
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:27 AM
Apr 2016

How's he gonna get most Americans to vote for him?

Doesn't connect the dots. Doesn't dig into the meaning of the data. Surface Sanders.

On sooo many issues but this one in particular.



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