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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:37 AM Apr 2016

Sanders accuses DNC, Clinton campaign of illegal scheme ~ Rachel Maddow Blog (HRC GP)

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-campaign-illegal-scheme#break

Excerpts:

The Sanders letter cited a February report by The Washington Post that detailed the Clinton campaign’s expansive use of a joint fundraising committee it set up last year with the DNC and 32 state party committees.
To put it mildly, it’s not at all common for a Democratic presidential candidate to accuse his own ostensible party, late in the primary process, of being involved in an illegal scheme, but 2016 really isn’t a normal year.

Regardless, do the accusations have merit? Have the DNC and the Clinton campaign hatched an improper operation that violates campaign-finance laws? It’s a real stretch.

Right off the bat, it’s worth noting that the Democratic National Committee offered Team Sanders the identical opportunity for a joint fundraising operation, but the senator declined – not because the joint victory fund is illegal, but because Sanders preferred to simply do his own thing, separate from the national party.

Also note, it’s not altogether clear how serious the Sanders campaign is about the allegations themselves. The “proof” of wrongdoing is a Washington Post article from two months ago, which doesn’t actually point to any specific misdeeds, and there’s been no explanation as to why Sanders waited two months to complain about it.

What’s more, the Sanders campaign didn’t take its complaints to the Federal Election Commission, which is responsible for reviewing such allegations, but rather, to the DNC itself – the entity that already believes there’s nothing improper about its own operation.


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Sanders accuses DNC, Clinton campaign of illegal scheme ~ Rachel Maddow Blog (HRC GP) (Original Post) Her Sister Apr 2016 OP
Does Sanders really think he and his supporters can whine their way to the nomination? Hoyt Apr 2016 #1
Yes. grossproffit Apr 2016 #3
Absolutely not quickesst Apr 2016 #7
I can't breath, I'm laughing so hard -- "a five-point strategy." Hoyt Apr 2016 #11
Everybody should have a plan... quickesst Apr 2016 #15
Brilliant!! Best post of the week!! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #18
aw man! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #20
Château de Bernie Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #8
Well, their actions thus far would lead ineluctably to that conclusion. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #10
Divine Intervention (the Pope) didn't work liberal N proud Apr 2016 #12
The thought of him hiding in the shadows, waiting for the Pope to exit, cracks me up. Hoyt Apr 2016 #24
Yes. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #30
I can't stand him. grossproffit Apr 2016 #2
This point is key: MBS Apr 2016 #4
That was the first paragraph that stuck out for me too still_one Apr 2016 #28
yeah yeah... keep blowin' your hot air, burnie Cha Apr 2016 #5
"Sanders fundraisers for himself off said allegation" quickesst Apr 2016 #13
They're in desperate need of money, doncha know! Gotta make up for that $$$$$$$$$$$ he Cha Apr 2016 #16
Yep, he really stepped in it... quickesst Apr 2016 #17
Hey, he worked hard copy/pasting those baseless allegations! kjones Apr 2016 #25
Yeah, but they'd rather disingenuously accuse her of doing something illegal.. Cha Apr 2016 #31
Oh, I long for the more innocent days of 2015... kjones Apr 2016 #35
Here is the direct video link to Rachel Maddow-Andrea Mitchell commentary MBS Apr 2016 #6
Thank you! Lucinda Apr 2016 #38
this part is funny: Her Sister Apr 2016 #9
Anyone sending this loser $$$ at this point might as well... Walk away Apr 2016 #14
Awesome analogy, Walk away~ I love it! Cha Apr 2016 #32
it's almost as if Bernie is a Point of Sale geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19
uh huh. Cha Apr 2016 #33
That's exactly what he's become. A Point of Sale used car salesman - or snake-oil salesman. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #34
Hey, what's one more lie if he succeeds in riling his Bbros and loosening their wallets. eom UtahLib Apr 2016 #21
Fraudulent allegations peggysue2 Apr 2016 #22
conclusion: Her Sister Apr 2016 #23
If Bernie believes any of this, he should be a man of his word and leave the party. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #26
More BS apcalc Apr 2016 #27
Well, he just recently became s democrat. gwheezie Apr 2016 #29
From my inbox: Bernie's latest attack is irresponsible and poisonous. BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #36
i am thinking they were NOT expecting to be debunked Her Sister Apr 2016 #37
I'm glad Maddow was on top of this. Lucinda Apr 2016 #39
Rachel is one of the few journalists BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #40

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
7. Absolutely not
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

Whining is only one part of a five-point strategy. The other four include pissing, crying, moaning, and groaning.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
4. This point is key:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016
Right off the bat, it’s worth noting that the Democratic National Committee offered Team Sanders the identical opportunity for a joint fundraising operation, but the senator declined – not because the joint victory fund is illegal, but because Sanders preferred to simply do his own thing, separate from the national party.


I have really lost patience with these guys now.
Talk about burning your bridges with the Democratic party. ..

still_one

(92,194 posts)
28. That was the first paragraph that stuck out for me too
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

I too have lost patience with their whining

Cha

(297,249 posts)
5. yeah yeah... keep blowin' your hot air, burnie
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016
Jesse Lehrich ??@JesseLehrich
① Clinton fundraises to help down-ballot Ds
② Sanders baselessly alleges illegality
③ Sanders fundraises for himself off said allegation

11:22 AM - 18 Apr 2016
226 226 Retweets207 207 likes

Oh, AND...

Jesse Lehrich ??@JesseLehrich
@mitchellreports on Bernie's claim about fundraising w/DNC:
"I've talked to as many experts as we could... the allegation is not correct."
4:25 PM - 18 Apr 2016
212 212 Retweets 234 234 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/18/we-carry-on-we-finish-the-race/

HS

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
13. "Sanders fundraisers for himself off said allegation"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

And it only took 26 minutes for the email to go out. That's got to be some kind of record.

Cha

(297,249 posts)
16. They're in desperate need of money, doncha know! Gotta make up for that $$$$$$$$$$$ he
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016

threw down the loo for his trip to Vatican to hunt down the Pope.

Lots of bad PR and all those gallons of fuel for the Chartered Jet that served Lobster to the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
25. Hey, he worked hard copy/pasting those baseless allegations!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

Honestly though, he could send out a fundraising email that said
"Hillary sucks - Send Money" and he'd get it.

Cha

(297,249 posts)
31. Yeah, but they'd rather disingenuously accuse her of doing something illegal..
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

because that's how they are. They want to demonize her while setting BS as mr pure.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
35. Oh, I long for the more innocent days of 2015...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

Where did they go...

(Well, in D.C. they say, that the Bernie's head grew three sizes that day.)

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
9. this part is funny:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-campaign-illegal-scheme#break

It didn’t help matters when, less than 30 minutes after making the accusations, the Sanders campaign sent out a new fundraising message to its donors, asking for more financial contributions in response to the allegations.


OMG!! EW!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
14. Anyone sending this loser $$$ at this point might as well...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:58 AM
Apr 2016

just get in their cars, get up to 55MPH on the nearest highway and throw the money out the window!!!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
34. That's exactly what he's become. A Point of Sale used car salesman - or snake-oil salesman.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:32 AM
Apr 2016

Either one is an apt description of this bridge-burning self-aggrandizing politician. It looks like he's believing his own hype!

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
22. Fraudulent allegations
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:19 AM
Apr 2016

This is what a Losing Campaign looks like. When you're raising money off a hyped up allegation, you're definitely in losing mode. Yesterday, I read an article (here or elsewhere) where St Bernard had said 27 times in the last month how crucial a New York win was to his campaign. Then last night he simply shrugged and said, "So what if I lose New York."

Weaver and Devine are whipping a dead horse, insisting that their campaign creature will pop up zombie-like and cross the finish line. For the big win.

Even the Bernie Brigade doesn't believe the hokum. Nasty is all they have left.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
23. conclusion:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016
So, the accusations themselves appear difficult to defend, but maybe there’s a political upside to this?

I’m not sure what that would be. It’s certainly possible that raising allegations, even baseless ones, might give Sanders yet another fundraising boost, though given the recent success of his fundraising juggernaut, that may not make much of a material difference.

Complicating matters, the Sanders campaign has made no secret of the fact that it hopes to persuade Democratic officials to elevate the Vermont senator, regardless of the results from the nominating contests. It’s a bold request, made more difficult when Sanders accuses the Democratic Party of hatching an illegal fundraising scheme that doesn’t appear to exist.



http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-campaign-illegal-scheme#break

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
29. Well, he just recently became s democrat.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

What do Bernie and Trump have in common? They have similar whines.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
36. From my inbox: Bernie's latest attack is irresponsible and poisonous.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

I don't believe that there is any copyright issue involved here. It's an information letter from the Clinton campaign, the first that I have seen like this. Frankly, I am as disgusted as anyone. Just when I think that SBS and his campaign cannot sink lower, they surprise me and do. I agree that this attack, coming when and as it does, is "irresponsible and poisonous."

If anyone had any doubt whatsoever remaining, Bernie is not now and never has been a Democrat. He is nothing but a political opportunist who hitched his star to the Democratic Party expecting a free ride without having to abide by any of the party's rules.

I want to let you know about a development that just occurred, because it matters. The tone of this primary matters, and the condition of our party at the end of it will matter as we prepare to face Donald Trump or Ted Cruz this fall.

Earlier today, the Sanders campaign wrote a letter to the Democratic National Committee, falsely accusing us of violating campaign finance law.

You won’t be surprised by what happened next: 26 minutes after the letter was sent, his campaign sent a fundraising email attempting to capitalize on the phony charges.

(Before you read any further, let's get one thing straight: this accusation is false. They're questioning our joint fundraising agreement with the DNC, which allows us to support Democrats running up and down the ticket -- the same fundraising structure used by President Obama in 2008 and 2012.)

This latest incident is part of a troubling pattern of behavior -- occurring just as Bernie’s mathematical odds of winning the nomination dwindle toward zero -- in which Sanders and his team are not just debating us on issues (which we all agree is perfectly fair), but rather attacking Hillary Clinton’s character, integrity, and motivations.

The fact that they include the Democratic Party in these charges -- an organization we want future generations of progressives to trust and support -- further confirms that the Sanders campaign has let things get out of hand in its waning days. To wit:

Over the weekend, they had protesters outside one of our fundraising events -- one whose proceeds went not just to Hillary for America, but to the Democratic National Committee and 32 state Democratic Parties -- throwing dollar bills at Hillary’s motorcade, as if they were at, shall we say, an adult entertainment venue. This was just days after someone introducing Bernie at a rally called Hillary a “Democratic whore.”
In last week’s debate, Bernie questioned Hillary’s commitment to fighting climate change because a whopping 0.2% of the money given to our campaign has come from employees of oil and gas companies. Not even 2%, mind you: 0.2%.
And of course, Sanders spent several days calling Hillary unqualified for the presidency, based on an entirely false claim that Hillary had said the same about him. She hadn’t (and still hasn’t, even after what he said).
To be clear, we welcome a debate on the important issues facing Americans, like how to prevent gun violence, encourage tolerance, and do more to level the playing field for Americans who are counting on us.

But it’s hard to see how anyone -- other than Donald Trump and Ted Cruz -- benefits from this downward spiral of irresponsible and baseless attacks. Right about now is when we ought to be talking about coming together as a progressive movement, not undermining a generation of voters’ faith in the Democratic Party and in the woman who is almost certain to be its nominee.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
37. i am thinking they were NOT expecting to be debunked
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

and especially debunked on the same night!! By Rachel Maddow! ANOTHER FAIL!!!

WOW! NY primary has been full of them for the BS campaign!

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
39. I'm glad Maddow was on top of this.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

I would be sooo embarrassed if I had been Bernie supporter. His campaign is jawdroppingly dishonest.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
40. Rachel is one of the few journalists
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

who doesn't give ANYONE a pass, which is why I like her, even when she says thinks that I might not agree with.

Too many others merely fawn on and repeat and we are all the poorer for that.

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