Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumSanders accuses DNC, Clinton campaign of illegal scheme ~ Rachel Maddow Blog (HRC GP)
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-campaign-illegal-scheme#breakExcerpts:
To put it mildly, its not at all common for a Democratic presidential candidate to accuse his own ostensible party, late in the primary process, of being involved in an illegal scheme, but 2016 really isnt a normal year.
Regardless, do the accusations have merit? Have the DNC and the Clinton campaign hatched an improper operation that violates campaign-finance laws? Its a real stretch.
Right off the bat, its worth noting that the Democratic National Committee offered Team Sanders the identical opportunity for a joint fundraising operation, but the senator declined not because the joint victory fund is illegal, but because Sanders preferred to simply do his own thing, separate from the national party.
Also note, its not altogether clear how serious the Sanders campaign is about the allegations themselves. The proof of wrongdoing is a Washington Post article from two months ago, which doesnt actually point to any specific misdeeds, and theres been no explanation as to why Sanders waited two months to complain about it.
Whats more, the Sanders campaign didnt take its complaints to the Federal Election Commission, which is responsible for reviewing such allegations, but rather, to the DNC itself the entity that already believes theres nothing improper about its own operation.
MORE in the link...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)Whining is only one part of a five-point strategy. The other four include pissing, crying, moaning, and groaning.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts).... and stick to it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You had me like ...
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)you made my nose hurt! Drinking my coffee while reading THAT was too much!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,996 posts)From the Emoprog Vineyard, a very fine whine.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)I have really lost patience with these guys now.
Talk about burning your bridges with the Democratic party. ..
still_one
(92,194 posts)I too have lost patience with their whining
Cha
(297,249 posts)① Clinton fundraises to help down-ballot Ds
② Sanders baselessly alleges illegality
③ Sanders fundraises for himself off said allegation
11:22 AM - 18 Apr 2016
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Oh, AND...
Jesse Lehrich ??@JesseLehrich
@mitchellreports on Bernie's claim about fundraising w/DNC:
"I've talked to as many experts as we could... the allegation is not correct."
4:25 PM - 18 Apr 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/18/we-carry-on-we-finish-the-race/
HS
quickesst
(6,280 posts)And it only took 26 minutes for the email to go out. That's got to be some kind of record.
Cha
(297,249 posts)threw down the loo for his trip to Vatican to hunt down the Pope.
Lots of bad PR and all those gallons of fuel for the Chartered Jet that served Lobster to the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... on that one.💩💩💩
kjones
(1,053 posts)Honestly though, he could send out a fundraising email that said
"Hillary sucks - Send Money" and he'd get it.
Cha
(297,249 posts)because that's how they are. They want to demonize her while setting BS as mr pure.
kjones
(1,053 posts)Where did they go...
(Well, in D.C. they say, that the Bernie's head grew three sizes that day.)
MBS
(9,688 posts)Relevant part starts at ~ 3 minutes/30 seconds.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)OMG!! EW!
Walk away
(9,494 posts)just get in their cars, get up to 55MPH on the nearest highway and throw the money out the window!!!
Cha
(297,249 posts)Wheeee!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)user car salesman.
Cha
(297,249 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Either one is an apt description of this bridge-burning self-aggrandizing politician. It looks like he's believing his own hype!
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)peggysue2
(10,829 posts)This is what a Losing Campaign looks like. When you're raising money off a hyped up allegation, you're definitely in losing mode. Yesterday, I read an article (here or elsewhere) where St Bernard had said 27 times in the last month how crucial a New York win was to his campaign. Then last night he simply shrugged and said, "So what if I lose New York."
Weaver and Devine are whipping a dead horse, insisting that their campaign creature will pop up zombie-like and cross the finish line. For the big win.
Even the Bernie Brigade doesn't believe the hokum. Nasty is all they have left.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Im not sure what that would be. Its certainly possible that raising allegations, even baseless ones, might give Sanders yet another fundraising boost, though given the recent success of his fundraising juggernaut, that may not make much of a material difference.
Complicating matters, the Sanders campaign has made no secret of the fact that it hopes to persuade Democratic officials to elevate the Vermont senator, regardless of the results from the nominating contests. Its a bold request, made more difficult when Sanders accuses the Democratic Party of hatching an illegal fundraising scheme that doesnt appear to exist.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-campaign-illegal-scheme#break
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)From BS
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)What do Bernie and Trump have in common? They have similar whines.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)I don't believe that there is any copyright issue involved here. It's an information letter from the Clinton campaign, the first that I have seen like this. Frankly, I am as disgusted as anyone. Just when I think that SBS and his campaign cannot sink lower, they surprise me and do. I agree that this attack, coming when and as it does, is "irresponsible and poisonous."
If anyone had any doubt whatsoever remaining, Bernie is not now and never has been a Democrat. He is nothing but a political opportunist who hitched his star to the Democratic Party expecting a free ride without having to abide by any of the party's rules.
Earlier today, the Sanders campaign wrote a letter to the Democratic National Committee, falsely accusing us of violating campaign finance law.
You wont be surprised by what happened next: 26 minutes after the letter was sent, his campaign sent a fundraising email attempting to capitalize on the phony charges.
(Before you read any further, let's get one thing straight: this accusation is false. They're questioning our joint fundraising agreement with the DNC, which allows us to support Democrats running up and down the ticket -- the same fundraising structure used by President Obama in 2008 and 2012.)
This latest incident is part of a troubling pattern of behavior -- occurring just as Bernies mathematical odds of winning the nomination dwindle toward zero -- in which Sanders and his team are not just debating us on issues (which we all agree is perfectly fair), but rather attacking Hillary Clintons character, integrity, and motivations.
The fact that they include the Democratic Party in these charges -- an organization we want future generations of progressives to trust and support -- further confirms that the Sanders campaign has let things get out of hand in its waning days. To wit:
Over the weekend, they had protesters outside one of our fundraising events -- one whose proceeds went not just to Hillary for America, but to the Democratic National Committee and 32 state Democratic Parties -- throwing dollar bills at Hillarys motorcade, as if they were at, shall we say, an adult entertainment venue. This was just days after someone introducing Bernie at a rally called Hillary a Democratic whore.
In last weeks debate, Bernie questioned Hillarys commitment to fighting climate change because a whopping 0.2% of the money given to our campaign has come from employees of oil and gas companies. Not even 2%, mind you: 0.2%.
And of course, Sanders spent several days calling Hillary unqualified for the presidency, based on an entirely false claim that Hillary had said the same about him. She hadnt (and still hasnt, even after what he said).
To be clear, we welcome a debate on the important issues facing Americans, like how to prevent gun violence, encourage tolerance, and do more to level the playing field for Americans who are counting on us.
But its hard to see how anyone -- other than Donald Trump and Ted Cruz -- benefits from this downward spiral of irresponsible and baseless attacks. Right about now is when we ought to be talking about coming together as a progressive movement, not undermining a generation of voters faith in the Democratic Party and in the woman who is almost certain to be its nominee.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)and especially debunked on the same night!! By Rachel Maddow! ANOTHER FAIL!!!
WOW! NY primary has been full of them for the BS campaign!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I would be sooo embarrassed if I had been Bernie supporter. His campaign is jawdroppingly dishonest.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)who doesn't give ANYONE a pass, which is why I like her, even when she says thinks that I might not agree with.
Too many others merely fawn on and repeat and we are all the poorer for that.