Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThe pledged vs. non-pledged discussion is utterly ridiculous
Let's put that to bed.
I responded to a post that suggested Hillary needs to have the needed pledged delegates to be the clear winner at the convention. The rules don't say that. The rules say that each state has a certain number of pledged and super delegates. Each state is called during the roll call and they report how many of their total delegates vote for each candidate. That's it. There is no division between pledged and supers at this stage.
Hillary has the vast majority of super delegates and they have no reason to change their vote. Especially now that Bernie has called out the Dem party as corrupt.
from my post in GDP.....
http://demrulz.org/wp-content/files/12.15.14_2016_Delegate_Selection_Documents_Mailing_-_Rules_Call_Regs_Model_Plan_Checklist_12.15.14.pdf
I'm not seeing a division between un-pledged and pledged. Each state has a number of pledged and a number of un-pledged delegates. They vote at the same time. So, the supers will indeed vote with the non-supers for each state. Therefore, it will be easy for Hillary to get to the required number of votes during the first roll-call. The vast majority of supers have indicated their support and it will be highly unlikely they will change now. Bernie will not have some miraculous surge of pledged delegates in the next few states. Hillary will have a majority of delegates and popular votes. There just is no real, likely path to victory for Sanders.
Section VIII.C.7
7. Roll Call for Presidential Candidate:
a. After nominations for presidential
candidates have closed, the
Convention shall proceed to a roll
call vote by states on the selection of
the presidential candidate. The roll
call voting shall follow the
alphabetical order of the states with
the District of Columbia and Puerto
Rico and the territories treated as
states for the purpose of the
alphabetical roll call.
b. A majority vote of the Conventions
delegates shall be required to
nominate the presidential candidate.
c. Delegates may vote for the
candidate of their choice whether or
not the name of such candidate was
placed in nomination. Any vote cast
other than a vote for a presidential
candidate meeting the requirements
of Article VI of this Call and Rule
12.K. of the 2016 Delegate Selection
Rules shall be considered a vote for
Present.
d. Balloting will continue until a
nominee is selected. Upon selection,
balloting may be temporarily
suspended, provided that the
balloting shall continue at a time
certain determined by the
Convention Chair, until all states,
the District of Columbia, Puerto
Rico and the territories shall
publically deliver their vote prior to
the nominees acceptance speech.
The nominee shall become the
candidate of the Democratic Party of
the United States for the Office of
President upon the conclusion of his
or her acceptance speech.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)"The goalposts have been moved so many times, they should have wheels and a jet engine by now."
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)It is such a joke. They are trying to make themselves feel better about his certain loss. It is ridiculous!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)In that case, she gets both.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)The supers kill his chances. He has NO chance of victory.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Another way they are much like the republicans.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Like the pope "meeting".