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MBS

(9,688 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:04 AM Apr 2016

Another piece on Vatican-gate

This one written by a Congregational minister:
http://religiondispatches.org/bernies-roman-holiday/

How he kind-of-sort-of got invited to this event in the first place is a story unto itself, but the upshot is that he (or someone affiliated with his campaign) wrangled an invitation, failed to take a hint that they didn’t really want him to come after all, and then delivered not much in the way of a speech.

I’m serious. Ten minutes is not long to speak on a complex subject, and Sanders wasted almost a quarter of his speech thanking his hosts, name-checking popes, and giving an extensive quote from Centesimus Annus that he frankly would have been better off summarizing. The rest of it is Sanders’ usual stump speech, barely adapted to rather obviously bait Pope Francis into giving his blessing. (The campaign hoped for a meeting between the senator and the pontiff, a prospect that was summarily dismissed by the Vatican.) Sanders rattles off more or less the same laundry list of complaints he’s used at every rally in the past year, with only the thinnest nods at setting his perspective in a deeper moral or intellectual context. Again, ten minutes does not allow very much room for a deep dive, which is exactly why the Sanders campaign should have taken the hint and decided there was a schedule conflict that prevented him from speaking after all.

The whole Bernie-goes-to-Rome thing has been a shambles, to be honest. The campaign got Sanders a back-door invite which surprised and irritated the academy president, not to mention stepping on the roll-out of Amoris Laetitia, the Pope’s new teaching on the family. Then they did it again, taking a private jet to Rome to speak on the idolatry of money in the middle of a make-it-or-break-it primary in New York, and arriving in Rome on a day when the Vatican would much rather be talking about Francis’ meeting with Patriarch Bartholomew in Lesbos about the European refugee crisis.

As if that weren’t bad enough, Sanders showed up with his family in tow, undercutting the high-minded moral message he was supposed to be delivering, and Oh, sweet Jesus, did they really put his logo on a picture of the Pope?! All this in service of a message that won’t impress or inspire anybody who wasn’t going to vote for Sanders to begin with.

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Another piece on Vatican-gate (Original Post) MBS Apr 2016 OP
But it wasn't political liberal N proud Apr 2016 #1
IKR? 2naSalit Apr 2016 #3
They're doing it with different quotes.. different pics of the Pope.. I have one down thread, too. Cha Apr 2016 #10
and all 2naSalit Apr 2016 #2
It appears he actually did put his logo on a picture of the Pope. LisaM Apr 2016 #4
No. They were that arrogant and crass. Turned the Pope into a campaign prop. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #6
Remember in Iowa when he implied endorsements from papers LisaM Apr 2016 #12
I do. It was pathetic. I'm not religious but even I find abusing the Pope as a campaign prop Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #18
Yes, I caught that he verified that, too.. Cha Apr 2016 #9
" sweet Jesus, did they really put his logo on a picture of the Pope?" Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #5
Haha!! the writer is not amused!! Her Sister Apr 2016 #7
WoW! that's good MBS.. thank you! Cha Apr 2016 #8
Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #11
Two sentences stand out for me ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #13
Ouch. ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #14
And the M$M continues to call it... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #15
Thank you for this! pandr32 Apr 2016 #16
K&R! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #17
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2016 #19
Sanders wants to be canonized St. Bernard Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #20
Love the dog NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #23
They (The Vatican) knew it was a sham, we knew it was a sham, but the BS supporters Fla Dem Apr 2016 #21
Frustrating, isn't it?! MBS Apr 2016 #22
Fittingly, it was the the Pope's visit to the refugee camp that did this phoney-baloney meme in.... Princess Turandot Apr 2016 #24
good post ! n/t MBS Apr 2016 #25
Tad Devine and Jeff Sachs probably thought that the pope, Tanuki Apr 2016 #26

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
1. But it wasn't political
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

They really put his logo on a picture of the Pope


and they spent campaign finances to visit Rome.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
10. They're doing it with different quotes.. different pics of the Pope.. I have one down thread, too.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

I hope this backfires on him.

LisaM

(27,812 posts)
4. It appears he actually did put his logo on a picture of the Pope.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

I would have thought that was a joke but apparently not. WTF?

LisaM

(27,812 posts)
12. Remember in Iowa when he implied endorsements from papers
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

that had actually endorsed Hillary? Exactly the same tactic. I dislike him more every day.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
18. I do. It was pathetic. I'm not religious but even I find abusing the Pope as a campaign prop
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016

just repellant. Worse than pathetic. Sour. Distasteful.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
9. Yes, I caught that he verified that, too..
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

Zeke Miller
✔ ??@ZekeJMiller
Bernie walking a fine line on sort of claiming the endorsement of the Pope https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/photos/a.324119347643076.89553.124955570892789/1029290747125929/?type=3&theater
5:03 AM - 15 Apr 2016
61 61 Retweets 45 45 likes

AlGiordano ??@AlGiordano
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, this is one inept campaign! https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/720991032523894784
meta ??@metaquest
@AlGiordano Putting his logo on an image of the Pope? Seriously, what is wrong with this guy?
5:16 AM - 15 Apr 2016
5 5 Retweets 6 6 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/15/president-obama-on-the-benefits-of-precision-medicine/#comments
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
7. Haha!! the writer is not amused!!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

or impressed!!! Wonder what he'd think if he saw the video of BS snubbing the Academy's President!

Cha

(297,246 posts)
8. WoW! that's good MBS.. thank you!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016
I’m serious. Ten minutes is not long to speak on a complex subject, and Sanders wasted almost a quarter of his speech thanking his hosts, name-checking popes, and giving an extensive quote from Centesimus Annus that he frankly would have been better off summarizing. The rest of it is Sanders’ usual stump speech, barely adapted to rather obviously bait Pope Francis into giving his blessing. (The campaign hoped for a meeting between the senator and the pontiff, a prospect that was summarily dismissed by the Vatican.) Sanders rattles off more or less the same laundry list of complaints he’s used at every rally in the past year, with only the thinnest nods at setting his perspective in a deeper moral or intellectual context. Again, ten minutes does not allow very much room for a deep dive, which is exactly why the Sanders campaign should have taken the hint and decided there was a schedule conflict that prevented him from speaking after all.

The whole Bernie-goes-to-Rome thing has been a shambles, to be honest. The campaign got Sanders a back-door invite which surprised and irritated the academy president, not to mention stepping on the roll-out of Amoris Laetitia, the Pope’s new teaching on the family. Then they did it again, taking a private jet to Rome to speak on the idolatry of money in the middle of a make-it-or-break-it primary in New York, and arriving in Rome on a day when the Vatican would much rather be talking about Francis’ meeting with Patriarch Bartholomew in Lesbos about the European refugee crisis
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http://religiondispatches.org/bernies-roman-holiday/

I'm glad the truth got out.. I was concerned it wouldn't.. with all the BS flying around.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Two sentences stand out for me ...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016
The rest of it is Sanders’ usual stump speech, barely adapted to rather obviously bait Pope Francis into giving his blessing. (The campaign hoped for a meeting between the senator and the pontiff, a prospect that was summarily dismissed by the Vatican.)


Sanders rattles off more or less the same laundry list of complaints he’s used at every rally in the past year, with only the thinnest nods at setting his perspective in a deeper moral or intellectual context.


And as an added bonus ... this one made me literally laugh out loud.

Oh, sweet Jesus, did they really put his logo on a picture of the Pope?! All this in service of a message that won’t impress or inspire anybody who wasn’t going to vote for Sanders to begin with.



yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
15. And the M$M continues to call it...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

"his meeting with the pope!" They want a contested election.

Viewership and advertising dollars!


pandr32

(11,586 posts)
16. Thank you for this!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

The whole stunt was a stunner. How anyone here in the US missed the fact that Bernie is a poser is beyond me. This makes me laugh: "ten minutes does not allow much room for a deep dive"--because he only ever splashes around in the shallow end. His rhetoric has no substance--no meat on the plate--just a picture!

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
23. Love the dog
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

can't stand Bernie. The clusterfuck that was the Vatican trip shows in stark detail how inept his campaign is. Not to mention how tone-deaf he is. I imagine Francis isn't happy about the photos with Bernie's logo; images of Kim Davis dancing in his head.

Fla Dem

(23,675 posts)
21. They (The Vatican) knew it was a sham, we knew it was a sham, but the BS supporters
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016

treated it like the 2nd coming of Christ. They are so blinded by the Bernie Revolution.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
22. Frustrating, isn't it?!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

And, yes, the Vatican (especially the pope) were totally wise to what was going on.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
24. Fittingly, it was the the Pope's visit to the refugee camp that did this phoney-baloney meme in....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

The 'hail mary' pass collided with Shepard One returning from Greece, when Francis spoke with/took questions from reporters on the plane. It's really the only time that he holds a live, if informal, press conference where he takes questions and his comments are recorded/videoed. He does it as he returns to Rome after nearly every international trip. Normally, a spokesman would have simply commented on the faux-meeting, a reply subject to endless parsing. Instead, they got the Pope himself on camera describing what had actually happened. Oops.

Did the family entourage all return when BS did? If so, did he really take them all on two ten hour plus flights in less than 48 hours, one in the middle of the night, in hopes of a family photo op with the Pope? What other reason could there be?

Thanks for posting, MBS!

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
26. Tad Devine and Jeff Sachs probably thought that the pope,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:09 PM
Apr 2016

kind-hearted as he is known to be, would be manipulated into changing his mind and agree to a real audience, with photos and everything, so as not to disappoint the kids.

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