Hillary Clinton

Her Sister

(6,444 posts) Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:37 PM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat: & that’s a real problem when he needs Democrats for his “revolution

Sanders has downplayed his disassociation with the party, but his recent behavior shows why it matters

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/19/bernie_sanders_isnt_a_democrat_and_thats_a_real_problem_when_he_needs_democrats_for_his_revolution/

Excerpt:

Except….he’s really not. As Sanders notes, he caucuses with the Democrats and has a committee appointment given to him by the Democrats, but he isn’t a Democrat. He could have run for the senate as a Democrat. No one was stopping him running as a Democrat. His refusal to was a freely made choice and he made it for a reason. The odds are that Sanders returns right back to being an independent the second he loses the nomination.

The Sanders campaign has been minimizing his status as a non-Democrat for months now, and, by and large, the Clinton campaign has been hands off about it, letting Sanders portray his non-Democratic status as a whimsy instead of a serious choice to distance himself from the party. But, as the race has intensified going into the New York primary, Clinton has decided to make more of an issue of it.

“He’s a relatively new Democrat, and, in fact, I’m not even sure he is one,” Clinton said on MSNBC earlier this month. “He’s running as one. So I don’t know quite how to characterize him. I’ll leave that to him.”

On the campaign trail, Clinton has been hitting this talking point hard, and it appears to be working in her favor.

“The biggest applause lines always have to do with Sanders’s recent status as a Democrat,” Joan Walsh of Nation wrote this week after attending multiple Clinton events around New York City.

Sanders has repeatedly argued that his disassociation from the party is inconsequential, a line that has become harder to sell in light of a recent dust-up over party fundraising.

Clinton supporters have been noting for weeks now that their candidate does a lot of down-ticket fundraising and the Sanders campaign does not, but things really came to a head when Sanders started castigating actor George Clooney for hosting a pricey fundraising event for Clinton. Things intensified when Sanders supporters showed up at the fundraiser to protest the event.

MORE in LINK:

19 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat: & that’s a real problem when he needs Democrats for his “revolution (Original Post) Her Sister Apr 2016 OP

K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #1

I see no lies n/t UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #2

The article speaks the truth. Sanders on the other hand... SunSeeker Apr 2016 #3

I think the emperor IS wearing clothes Her Sister Apr 2016 #5

Huh? I said I see no lies... UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #8

My apologies. Welcome to DU & the Hillary Group. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #15

Those supporters throwing dollars ... BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #4

They prob'ly gone to the point of no return(s) Her Sister Apr 2016 #6

Right? sarae Apr 2016 #7

A lot of their strategy needed rethinking... brer cat Apr 2016 #17

Thank you! sarae Apr 2016 #18

To my mind... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #9

None of them were ever Dems. Just like Bernie. misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #10

To be honest. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #11

And according to 538 lots of BS supporters had dislike for Prez Obama too... Her Sister Apr 2016 #12

Sanders on the Democratic Party: SunSeeker Apr 2016 #13

He said it, hypocritical! DawgHouse Apr 2016 #14

There is no revolution. creon Apr 2016 #16

Exactly. I've said all along that for a revolution of this kind to succeed, it needs to be anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #19

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)

1. K&R!

Reply to Her Sister (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:38 PM

Apr 2016

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)

2. I see no lies n/t

Reply to Her Sister (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:39 PM

Apr 2016

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)

3. The article speaks the truth. Sanders on the other hand...

Reply to UMTerp01 (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:43 PM

Apr 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)

5. I think the emperor IS wearing clothes

Reply to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:48 PM

Apr 2016

We are just too blind and don't see them!

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)

8. Huh? I said I see no lies...

Reply to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:03 PM

Apr 2016

which means I agree with the article.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)

15. My apologies. Welcome to DU & the Hillary Group.

Reply to UMTerp01 (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:02 PM

Apr 2016

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)

4. Those supporters throwing dollars ...

Reply to Her Sister (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:44 PM

Apr 2016

really ... how could anyone SANE believe this to be a good idea?

Even the GOPers haven't pulled a stunt like that. Yet. It's pretty bad when the "supporters" of a Dem candidate use that against another Dem candidate in a primary - and especially when the candidate at whom dollars are thrown is a woman who happens to be the best qualified candidate of either gender in the race.

Classy? Not. Acceptable? Absolutely NOT.

I've gone from liking Bernie and thinking how fortunate we Dems were to have such good candidates to detesting literally everything about him. Literally everything.

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)

6. They prob'ly gone to the point of no return(s)

Reply to BlueMTexpat (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:48 PM

Apr 2016

It's too late!~

sarae

(3,284 posts)

7. Right?

Reply to BlueMTexpat (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:57 PM

Apr 2016

FIRST, they call Hillary a "democratic whore", then they decide it's a good idea to throw dollars at her?? Who's bright idea was that - is this a new tactic for gaining democratic votes that I'm unaware of? They might want to rethink their strategy.

brer cat

(24,572 posts)

17. A lot of their strategy needed rethinking...

Reply to sarae (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:23 PM

Apr 2016

or maybe just thinking period. Wecome, sarae! Glad to have you with us.

sarae

(3,284 posts)

18. Thank you!

Reply to brer cat (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:21 PM

Apr 2016

It's so nice to have a place to read positive things about HRC (and to get away from the HRC bashing)...

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)

9. To my mind...

Reply to Her Sister (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:24 PM

Apr 2016

Bernie and his supporters really jump the shark when they argue it's unfair to not let non-Democrats vote in the Democratic Party primary.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)

10. None of them were ever Dems. Just like Bernie.

Reply to yallerdawg (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:31 PM

Apr 2016

He'd have had more credibility running as a TeaParty Libertarian.
He's nothing but the leader of another angry fringe cult in America.
There are lots of them.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)

11. To be honest.

Reply to misterhighwasted (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:35 PM

Apr 2016

Won't miss them one bit at DU. Brought nothing but rightwing Hillary Hate - "after the primary" is coming real soon!

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)

12. And according to 538 lots of BS supporters had dislike for Prez Obama too...

Reply to yallerdawg (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:41 PM

Apr 2016

just not as open about it here in DU!

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107106058

In part, Sanders’s support among independent leaners is a product of the demographics of his coalition generally. Among Democrats and independents who lean Democratic, the independent leaners are more likely to be male, white and higher-income — and at the same time, they have less positive views of President Obama.3 In short, the demographics and attitudes that tend to predict being an independent who leans Democratic are those that predict Sanders support.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)

13. Sanders on the Democratic Party:

Reply to Her Sister (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:56 PM

Apr 2016

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)

14. He said it, hypocritical!

Reply to SunSeeker (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:59 PM

Apr 2016

creon

(1,183 posts)

16. There is no revolution.

Reply to Her Sister (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:08 PM

Apr 2016

And, he is not a Democrat.

He is just an ordinary politician.
Who has never really done all that much.

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)

19. Exactly. I've said all along that for a revolution of this kind to succeed, it needs to be

Reply to Her Sister (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:26 PM

Apr 2016

led by a young(ish) Democrat who can dedicate several election cycles, and bring along devoted Democratic party members. It also really needs to be in reaction to a period of repub rule...I think the Obama election was the closest we've seen. After a disastrous repub administration, people saw the damage that it can do, and flocked to the young, hopeful Democrat who clearly articulated his vision and his plans. It really is a whole package thing that Sanders just doesn't have.

Reply to this discussion