Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumAs understandably angry as some are, let's not demonize Bernie. Hillary will be the nominee!
I am not pleased with all of what Bernie has said in this campaign, and ESPECIALLY not with how Devine and Weaver have acted. However, here is what we can say with certainty: HILLARY WILL BE THE NOMINEE AND BERNIE WILL NOT! Now, that isn't because Bernie is a bad person or ran a terrible campaign. He isn't and he didn't. In fact, in many ways he did some great things in this campaign with his grassroots work, engaging young people, etc. Even Hillary gives him credit for it. Also, he is definitely saying some GENERAL things that need saying especially about income inequality and campaign finance reform. He is correct on most of the GOALS, and, again, even Hillary says so.
Campaigns are tough. They always are. Remember 08? It was NASTY and went to the bitter end. But in the end, Hillary released her delegates, nominated Obama at the convention, and became Sec. of State.
When this is over, we need to convince as many of the Bernie folks as we can to stay engaged and work with us. Many will be disgruntled, but many will be willing to come over to us. We shouldn't burn bridges, and we don't need to. Hillary is going to be the nominee. She will win big today, and she will go on to win MANY of the remaining states.
There is NO way Bernie can catch up. Let's be satisfied with that. If a Bernie fan attacks, just say, "Hillary will be the nominee. No amount of attacking is going to stop that. You are wasting your breath." And that's enough.
Yes, Bernie and his advisors should also be toning down their attacks in a big way. But here's the thing. They will HAVE to. There is just NO way to deny the math. The reality is going to set in. In fact, truth be told, it ALREADY is. They want to have some influence on the platform and they want a presence at the convention. BUT, they know darn well they don't have the delegates and WILL NOT GET the needed pledged delegates to win the nomination.
We will need to close ranks as much as possible at the end of this, and again, WE DON'T NEED TO DEMONIZE Bernie or his people because our nomination VICTORY is going to send all the message that needs to be sent as far as that. Bernie remains a good person whose heart for working Americans is in the right place. We need to unite the party and win in November.
GO HILLARY!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)those responsible needs to be responsible for their actions.
metroins
(2,550 posts)It's not who I try to be as a person, it's just difficult to read the completely inane posts about how Bernie can win or the deplorable personal attacks on her.
There's so many BS supporters touting inaccuracies about votes, delegates and strategies, it's difficult to read the forum.
I should just not read those posts.
Bernies campaign needs to tone down the attacks.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)HOWEVER, I reserve the right to be very disgusted with him and his campaign. I have never in my life seen such dirty and underhanded SHIT from a candidate. I don't even remember Nixon being quite this bad.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)to be disgusted. But I do remember Nixon's campaign being this bad (Segretti and his dirty tricks against McGovern), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Segretti
That is why I am so disgusted. I have never seen a Dem candidate do this to another Dem candidate in the primaries. There is also a direct line from Segretti to Karl Rove. http://articles.courant.com/2007-08-19/news/0708190078_1_rove-lee-atwater-smash-mouth-politics
So many of the SBS campaign's recent tactics against Hillary have a lot in common with the work of Segretti-Rove and Lee Atwater, which is why I flipped completely about Bernie after his supporters' attempt to overturn the result of the NV caucuses.
Until Bernie absolutely calls this sh** exactly what it is and denounces those who do these things in his name, I will continue to be thoroughly disgusted with him.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)I think the attacks will get worse.
Yes, I want us to unite for the fall and you're very right about demonizing Sanders, but a lot of these people are not Dems and probably won't come over to Hillary. Many just want a revolution, and don't really care who's in charge of the resulting chaos.
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)Truth to tell, if he had done things a bit differently, he would have won, or at least come closer.
I dislike what is being said about Hillary, a constant barrage of attacks that are untrue. I'm not one to argue a whole lot anyway, though.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)here on DU, particularly the totally baseless ones that are posted obviously to incite.
I think Sanders has not done enough to tone down the anti-Hillary rhetoric of his supporters, and I do blame him for some of what we have been seeing. However, since we need all progressives to unite, it is important to let them have their week or two of anger as the reality of the loss sets in. By staying away, it will hopefully be over sooner, and we can then start to come together.
As a college student, I have lots of friends who are Sanders supporters (more than half of them were not able to vote today because they did not register on time or with the Democratic party)...so I know their arguments. Honestly, I think it won't be too hard for most of them to put their support behind Hillary, but I won't even try to press them until school starts again in the Fall. I know they will need time. This is how we should approach the Sanders people here on DU as well.
ladym55
(2,577 posts)The saddest thing for me in this primary has been watching my opinion of Bernie Sanders erode. At the outset, I knew I was behind Hillary, and I knew the reasons why, but I liked Bernie, too, and his idealism. That was before my Twitter feed exploded with Hillary hate from progressive voices I have always respected, and the home page for DU began to resemble the comment section at Fox News.
My heart broke when I heard from friends in the Philly area--one wanted to know why my much beloved (and openly progressive) Senator Sherrod Brown had "sold out," and other made sure I knew that the Republicans in her office told her that they knew for a FACT that Hillary was going to be indicted right after the convention.
That made it so hard for me to continue respecting Bernie and his campaign. I'm not sure who has been behind the vitriol directed at Hillary, but I guess it was a month ago I just wanted Bernie to pack his bag and head home for Vermont.
I hope he is a team player after the convention and shows the incredible dignity and class shown by Hillary in 2008. I still fear a third party movement because that would be a disaster for this country.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)And my opinion of him has dropped considerably.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)But as the campaign has unfolded and we've learned more about his past, I was really surprised by some of the stuff. I didn't like the way he pulled out the same bag of tricks running against a woman that he did back in the 80s when running for governor, claiming that he's the feminist. I was pretty put off by his insistence in glorifying the Castro regime. His choice of advisors doesn't show a great deal of thought. He struggles when he goes off message. He has an ego. He won't compromise when it's needed. I wondered from the start about the type of supporter he was attracting - why are the tech workers, who really have it pretty good, going for him?
Most of all, if Hillary is so fortunate to be the nominee, the relationship I most want repaired is that between strong young women and old-time (and not so old-time) feminists. This rift must be healed.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Your last sentence is spot on. One of the things that bothers me the most about this election is the way it has divided many women; I absolutely hate seeing that. The last thing we need is to turn against each other. I really hope that can be healed.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I ended up liking it better with the mistake (if it was one).
I started out by having a positive opinion of both BS and HRC. I went to a local Bernie Sanders group-sponsored Dem debate watch party in early fall of last year. I even donated money to receive his book (which sits unread on a shelf). At the time, I still hadn't decided on who I'd support.
It was there that I started seeing some of the anti-Hillary stuff from the Left (of course, I'm used to seeing it from the Right). Every time Hillary spoke, there were several guys who would start booing. I ended up leaving early because I was so annoyed.
Despite that, it still took me a while before I started actively disliking BS. I try not to let a candidate's supporters sway my judgment, but the recent tone from the BS campaign itself has started putting me over the edge with him. I'd still vote for him if he were the nominee, but it's getting hard to think of him in a positive way. As a woman, a lot of the anti-HRC rhetoric from BS & Co. feels like old-fashioned sexism to me; it's a deal-breaker for me.
creon
(1,183 posts)My view on Sanders has not changed.
I think that he is a very ordinary politician.
Not especially productive, not especially brilliant.
just ordinary.
Do not demonize him. That gives him too much credit.
Give him the space to recover and decide to help.
That is important.
His fans will do what they will do. let them take their own decision, in their own way and in their own time.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)He's like the type of candidate I would have supported when I was 16.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I no longer do. That is directly as a result of his dirty campaigning, his dismissiveness of women, and women's rights, his hostility to President Obama, his obvious attempts at destroying the Democratic party from within.
That made me dislike him INTENSELY.
sarae
(3,284 posts)...I agree with all of your reasons. In addition (just to twist the knife after sticking it in), all of those reasons are made just that much worse by the fact that he's often treated as a f'in MESSIAH.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I can't even post here what my husband and mother say about him. Lawdy, lawd!
livetohike
(22,144 posts)He is not bringing millions of new voters to the party. He is bringing them to him under the guise of some kind of revolution.
He has demonized the most qualified candidate we have had in a long time. He has turned his supporters to demonize her and the party. He has dissed Pres. Obama.
I will continue to defend Hillary from the lies and as far as demonizing Sanders, he is doing a pretty good job of doing it to himself. No respect for him or his campaign at this point.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)I haven't been an ass toward Bernie but I have been critical just as I've accepted legit criticism of Hillary. But man, I have been treated like shit by people I thought were friends and now that he's become supportive of that kind of thing, well...it's going to take time.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)down ballot Democrats. If he doesn't stop smearing Hillary and the party then we are not doing ourselves any favors kissing his ass. Look at what Trump is doing to the GOP.
Loki
(3,825 posts)I will dismiss him and will be glad when he returns to Vermont to do whatever he has done in the past,.....nothing.
William769
(55,147 posts)Nothing more, nothing less.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)maybe he'll take the ambassadorship to the Vatican since he and the pope are such good bros
MFM008
(19,814 posts)Turned me off him. He has nothing I want to hear. Neither do they.
nini
(16,672 posts)and will not engage with them at all.
(and ..it was meant to sound childish)