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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:22 AM Apr 2016

Here is why Bernie will not be the nominee:


Bernie Sanders is a good man with good goals, but here is why he will not be the nominee.


I have said from day one that Bernie is a good man with good goals who is saying important things about issues that need saying in a big way, especially campaign finance reform and income inequality. I have also said from day one that he most likely would not be the nominee. His thorough loss in NY last evening only adds to the fate sealed after Super Tuesday in March. In many ways he has run a great campaign and done some really good things with his campaign. But he will not be the nominee. Here is why:

1) He simply did not and still does not have the national stature of Hillary Clinton.

2) He is way too late to the party. He has always been an Indy and has even harshly criticized the Dems. It's hard to come in and win the party's national nomination being so late to join the party. He just hasn't built the support in the party structure and base that Hillary has.

3) He is from a small state and doesn't have the kind of national and international experience base of Hillary Clinton.

4) He barely tailors his message. It is a mono-themed message simply re-cycled from place to place.

5) He is not really building the kind of longterm MOVEMENT necessary for a real "revolution." Just voting in a primary and coming to rallies isn't nearly enough. These college kids need to be in it for the CAUSE and the LONG HAUL, not just for Bernie in the short term.

6) He is simply too VAGUE. He was unable to answer in detail in the NYDN interview, and when you have big ideas you need detailed doable plans and a strong command of all facets of those issues.

7) People want REFORM, not a "socialist revolution." As a self-described socialist he is too far to the left to win the American presidency. People do want meaningful REFORM. But they don't want extreme change.

So again, while I have always admired Bernie and his heart has always been in the right place, he will not be the nominee. Hillary has won states like Florida, Illinois, Ohio, and now NY. She was won many more popular votes, and is way ahead in the pledged delegate count. Bernie would need a miracle to win at this point. He doesn't have to drop out, but any sense of reality proves his chances of being the nominee are very, very low.

Hillary will be the nominee, and she is a GREAT candidate who stands head and shoulders above the RePUKES in experience and PROGRESSIVISM.
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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
2. 8) He did not convince a majority of the Democratic Party that he can do the job.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

He needed to do the biggest part of that before the first vote was cast.

creon

(1,183 posts)
5. correct on all points
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

I think that he started out trying to make a point.
He, just, was not the man to get the point across.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
7. On the whole I agree with you, however...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

...in the course of this campaign I've lost every bit of respect that I ever had for the man. His conduct in the coming weeks will determine IF I choose to ever get any of it back.

PEACE!

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
8. Early on, I respected him and understood where his message was coming from
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

But as the campaign progressed and he got more and more angry and his supporters became more aggressive and down right ugly I quickly solidified my support behind the only true life long Democrat that remained in the race.

Every election, I go into the early primaries open minded but with some idea of who I will support and then as time progresses, that molds itself into what I think is a strong candidate. In 08, I thought Edwards had the message, I wavered between him and Hillary, but we all know that Edwards wasn't a good thing after all. And I am damn glad we ended up with the President we have.

This time around, I have followed Hillary from much closer to the start than usual simply because of the way they were always playing victim right from the start. She is the future and will be able to stand up to the GOP and take their shit without feeling like a victim.

The Sanders campaign has just pushed it further and further with their stunts and dirty tricks and everything has failed.


GO HILLARY!

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
15. I hear you and blame a lot of that on Devine and Weaver. I still think Sanders' heart is good.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

Campaigns always get nasty. Look at 08 with Hillary and Obama. I have supported Hillary from day one because she is a TOUGH AS NAILS FIGHTER and she is SUPREMELY QUALIFIED for the office.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
10. #2. He harshly criticized the ENTIRE Democratic party with no qualifiers.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

That's a lot different than harshly criticizing Democrats. Some Democrats deserve harsh criticism. Some more often than others.

Edit- I do agree with your post. But find it important to highlight that Sanders has equated the Democratic party with Republican party.

Trashing the entire Democratic party as a whole with no qualifiers is wrong & counterproductive.

nini

(16,672 posts)
11. The fact his goal is to destroy the Democratic party does not sit well with me.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

IF he truly wanted to make change he would take his momentum and build an Independent party up and make it a force to be reckoned with. If everything we hear from him and his followers is true that would have been easy enough to do. Instead he chose to become a 'Democrat' and do everything he could do to destroy it. How many candidates have bashed their own party repeatedly as he has????? Not to mention acting like the right wing press when going after his opponent. he is doing NOTHING to boost the D side of the ticket - so no thanks Bernie - I have zero respect left for the guy and see a whole different side to him these last few months that disgusts me.

I am fully aware the Democrats are not perfect - however we're sure as hell better than the other side and reality dictates that RIGHT NOW we keep power out of their hands. C'mon people we're talking Donald Freaking Trump here. This is no joke and for Sanders to continue to play right into the repub's plans makes me ill.

Sorry.. his good intentions died a long time ago.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
12. You think starting another Leftwing party would have been good? Really?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

For one thing, it siphons off voters who should join the Left coalition in the Democratic Party.

Secondly, if he got on the ballot for November as an Independent or Green, it makes it that much easier to steal a close election. Votes can mysteriously switch to Sanders from Clinton in states with Republicans at the helm and shoddy voting equipment.

Hillary Clinton NEEDED to be primaried. Giving her a coronation would have been counter-productive and made her a weaker candidate. If it hadn't been Sanders, it'd have been O'Malley.

nini

(16,672 posts)
13. I think it would make him more legitimate in his claims
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

that is all

I do agree Hillary needed to keep to the left - I understand all that etc..

However, he is beyond that goal. He is vindictive and out to destroy the party - I don't accept that. Fix it - don't destroy it.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
16. I think he sincerely cares about working class and middle class people. I think much of what you
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

say is a product of the natural nasty courses that campaigns can take and that Devine and Weaver are doing him no favors.

I do agree that at the end of the day Bernie needs to close ranks, as he has said he would, and not be so "anti establishment" in his rhetoric. He joined a party, and he needs to support it because, yes, the alternative is Trump or Cruz who are both RADICAL right wing NUTS.

nini

(16,672 posts)
18. I think he used to care more but now he comes off as an opportunist - which is a damn shame.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

But what made me change my mind on him are his actions. HIS actions and past words which he is responsible for whether or not Devine and Weaver are pulling the strings or not. Just his demeanor gives clues on his ability to handle the stresses of the presidency and all the BS that comes with it.

He simply cannot get done what he says he can at the snap of a finger - I wish he could but reality in Washington does not support it. It took the Repubs 40 years since Reagan to get us this messed up - it's not going to be done overnight especially with the Congress we have.

He's be a better senator than he would be president. He can do more in the Senate where I will be watching to see what he does from there to back up his campaign slogans. it's time for him to start pushing bills to get his ideas going.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. I had *thought* he was a "good man" ...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:03 PM
Apr 2016

... but his lies and attacks on Hillary (especially the "she's not qualified" bullshit) and the lawsuit against the DNC (in response to the consequences his staff's data theft from Hillary) and the lawsuit to force NY's Democratic Party to have an open primary, and his accusations of fundraising improprieties, and his accusation that Hillary was being paid for speeches while she was a public servant ... omg, the list goes on an on.

No, he's no "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" ... he's just an ordinary politician, there's nothing special about him. At this point, he KNOWS IN HIS HEART that he's not going to be the nominee. He KNOWS WITHOUT A DOUBT that he's not going to win. Yet, he continues to attack and damage our OBVIOUS NOMINEE and to denigrate the party he recently joined.

And now he wants to flip delegates to subvert the results of the primaries and caucuses? That's not really the behavior I'd expect from a "good man".

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