Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThis time 8 years ago - 30% Hillary supporters said no to unity, compared to 18% of Sanders today
This was cited by Norman Goldman today on his radio show, so I don't have a link to the data, but he's very fair and reliable and knows his stuff. I'm sure if someone did enough digging they could find the data he was looking at.
There's been a lot of talk about Bernie or Bust people spoiling it for Hillary. But this data, I think, indicates that it's just not going to be a problem. If Hillary supporters were that much angrier than Bernie's supporters, yet still able to calm down enough to give Obama the support he needed to win, I think Hillary doesn't have to worry about unity.
Will there be those who just never come around? Of course. But that percentage won't be high enough to affect the outcome.
Side note, I post this in this group because the anger in GDP will derail it, as can be seen with many threads there.
Let's go Hillary
EDIT: I found some data on this from Gallup
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109957/obama-gains-among-former-clinton-supporters.aspx
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)president just as I knew Hillary would have been also. I remember Hillary nominating Obama on the floor and giving up her delegates. This was very uniting, perhaps some did not unite behind Obama but most did. I also was ready for Obama to run for reelection and was glad he was reelected.
Bluerome
(129 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)there was never a doubt I was not going to vote if I was physically able to do this on election day. I understand what happens with a republican president, we get justices like Roberts, Alito and Scalia, justices which have not been good for progressive ideas.
Bluerome
(129 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Congress she can work with, as well. We need to make it easier on her since she'll also be battling a barrage of lies from the RW-money-juggernaut all throughout her presidency.
It was wonderful to hear FLOTUS Michelle speak so passionately and positively of Hillary Clinton. CNN had reported that was a clear sign - in addition to Jill Biden's praise last week - that both our president and his veep are supporting Hillary Clinton. It was very nice, indeed!
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)It was a horrible few weeks.
Thanks for the reminder that everything will be alright.
Bluerome
(129 posts)As I said above, I know what the Bernie supporters are going through. It is not easy.
sentenza607
(22 posts)Very informative and encouraging.
I was thinking today that the level of vitriol we're seeing on this forum between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters is probably not representative of the general population. You've got to figure that the fact that we're even on this forum, spending lots of time each day reading and posting about this stuff, probably means we're a lot more passionate and invested in this stuff than the average voter. So I think the rift is probably amplified here compared to the electorate overall.
I think the majority of Bernie supporters will come around to Hillary after the nomination is officially sewn up. And the minority that don't... Well, I'm thinking the Democratic party is probably better off without them anyway. We've seen the havoc that the right's wingnuts, the Tea Partiers, have wreaked on the Republican party after their insurgency. Not interested in seeing that same dynamic play out in the Democratic party as well.
Bluerome
(129 posts)I think the most people out in the world are not this polarized. Most people I work with aren't even following the election closely at all. When November comes they'll just pull the lever for their party and won't have even known that there was much vitriol to start with
LisaM
(27,812 posts)I was upset last time but i understood better where Obama's supporters were coming from. I got it. Here, there is a person I actually liked for a long time whom I have come to dislike more as the process unfolds. I am also a little put off by the path he's taken.
Bluerome
(129 posts)There was a lot of anger back then. I personally remember it. I think Hillary will be fine
LisaM
(27,812 posts)I can't recall a single instance of even a threat not to vote for Obama. I have certainly seen the threat made by a lot of Sanders' supporters. I understand that people believed the PUMA stuff (and the snarky veiled "Cougar" reference is not lost on me) but I don't know anyone who actually said that.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)I think the lesson learned here is that in the heat of the primary, you get into camps and get angry, and say things...then when the nomination process is over, most people get back in line.
Why? Because there is nowhere else to go. People that get involved in the primary process are generally politically active. The idea of them just sitting out an election is hard to fathom. So we get into the general election, and they are going to pay attention. And they see the candidate they swore they would never vote for championing the issues against a Republican who will literally destroy everything they care about. It makes the decision easy.
In this case it will be even easier, because in 2008, there was no party leader. Fortunately for Obama, Hillary was awesome and championed him to the point where anyone with animosity didn't have a leg to stand on. In this case, Obama himself, who is the clear leader of the Democratic party and exceedingly popular will have her back, and that will cut off any of the stragglers.
Bluerome
(129 posts)sentenza607
(22 posts)Pretty much reinforces what you've touched on here.
Bluerome
(129 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)Bluerome
(129 posts)That's why I just look at statistics to find what the reality really is. It's much less frustrating
Well said. I do exactly the same. That's why I love it when people post solid data like you did. Cuts through the noise beautifully.
Bluerome
(129 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)Most of Sanders supporters are Libertarians, Greens, Naderites, Far left Independents and college students who never voted before. How do you wrangle those cats???
Plus, Hillary campaigned for her supporters to vote for Obama. Sanders is kind of a jerk and he hates the Democratic party.
Bluerome
(129 posts)They weren't going to vote dem anyway. Trump will likely be the nominee and I think he'll be very easy to beat.
I'm not sure what to think of Bernie right now. His campaign's double down on swaying super delegates even if it means subverting the will of the people doesn't make a lot of sense. It seems to be a coup-like strategy, and even moveon has condemned it... That seems more like a tea party sort of strategy, which hasn't worked out too well for the republicans
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Bernie pawns. I imagine that is to get them to vote for him on the second vote of a contested convention. Does he actually think there would ever be a second vote???
savalez
(3,517 posts)She's awesome and that's why she's winning this time around.
Bernie? Not so much.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)It is too soon for most Sanders supporters because he is still campaigning and he still has a very, very, very slight chance of pulling it off. Give them time.
Bluerome
(129 posts)But with Bernie's claim that whe will try to use superdelegates to win even if they are in 2nd place, and organizations like moveon coming out against that tactic, this may be a little different situation. We'll see