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sheshe2

(83,780 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:16 PM Apr 2016

A Lot of Hillary Clinton’s New York Supporters Kept Quiet About Their Allegiances





Until Tuesday night, I had assumed that my neighborhood, Cobble Hill, Brooklyn, was overwhelmingly supporting Bernie Sanders. Sanders bumper stickers and T-shirts outnumbered those for Hillary Clinton by what seemed like 20 to 1. A couple of times, I thought about putting my baby daughter in a Clinton onesie—whatever my hesitations about Clinton’s candidacy, I love the idea of my girl’s first image of an American president being female. But I always hesitated, not wanting to invite playground harangues from local dads about Goldman Sachs and the Fed.

When I looked up Cobble Hill on the nifty New York Times tool providing neighborhood-by-neighborhood results, however, it turned out that Clinton won the immediate area around my apartment by 59.4 percent. A block over, she won by 72.5 percent. She won all around me. A lot of Clinton supporters, evidently, have been keeping quiet about their allegiances.

There are a couple of explanations for this. Sanders fans seem to be more enthusiastic, though it takes a certain amount of enthusiasm to vote in a primary at all. Registered independents couldn't vote in New York’s closed primary, particularly given the absurd, undemocratic October deadline for switching parties. But I think there might be something else at work as well: an optical illusion that the candidate with the most white male support had the most support, period. I had let myself mistake the loudest people for The People.

I’m not trying to deny that the Sanders coalition is diverse or to erase the many passionate women and men of color who supported him. But the fact remains that according to exit polls, Clinton won every racial and gender demographic except white men. And somehow, I’d become convinced that, in my own backyard, their preferences were far more widespread than they really are.

I’ve heard anecdotally from other women who’ve kept their support for Clinton somewhat quiet, because they assumed they were in a minority. On Tuesday I spoke to Bushwick resident Savannah Cox, a 26-year-old writer and researcher at the New School, a famously progressive Greenwich Village university.
“As a Clinton fan, I have had to be diplomatic even though I am patronized,” she says. “I am honestly sick of it.” She describes one male friend who offered to speak more slowly so she could fully grasp his point about Clinton’s complicity with the fossil fuel lobby. Cox says she has stopped talking about politics with her friends: “I can’t do it. I don’t want to engage.”
(Bushwick’s neighborhoods were divided between Sanders and Clinton.) Again, this is a single anecdote, but it makes me think I’m not alone in being reluctant to advertise my support for Clinton.

More: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/04/20/many_hillary_clinton_supporters_in_new_york_kept_their_allegiances_quiet.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_bot

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Last night was awesome my friends. Sadly women know when to be silent. Bullies. It is okay our voices were heard. That is a fact.

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A Lot of Hillary Clinton’s New York Supporters Kept Quiet About Their Allegiances (Original Post) sheshe2 Apr 2016 OP
Same here in Michigan. I stopped talking about politics. Not worth it in person. nt kjones Apr 2016 #1
Some people think they have a better grasp of details. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #2
No, we are not loud and pushing talking points, we just know Hillary is the most qualified Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #3
K&R! fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #4
Yep. I have had to stop talking politics with my friends too. nt Lisa0825 Apr 2016 #5
In NYC, people know to keep quiet around the disturbed people talking real loud to themselves KittyWampus Apr 2016 #6
Same here in California. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #7
Sad isn't it SunSeeker. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #10
My best friend's husband is an over the top Berniebro. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #11
sorry you have to deal with that... sarae Apr 2016 #18
It's even sadder for my friend, who's married to him! SunSeeker Apr 2016 #20
Wow sarae Apr 2016 #22
Ick - not good and disrespectful of your friend SharonClark Apr 2016 #28
Ditto here Treant Apr 2016 #8
Same here - I was on the fence for a long time, but the more venom they spewed, the more Lisa0825 Apr 2016 #25
We let our votes speak for us LoveMyCali Apr 2016 #9
This is awesome, she! I love the way Michele Goldberg writes her personal story so Cha Apr 2016 #12
The borough was with her, even if it didn’t always feel like it. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #13
Cha you have the best photos of Hillary, thank you so much all american girl Apr 2016 #14
Wonderful tale Raissa Apr 2016 #15
It is more important to speak with our vote. brer cat Apr 2016 #16
I've learned that a long time ago.... Historic NY Apr 2016 #17
I think we may find this in the general election as well. Walk away Apr 2016 #19
I couldn't agree more...but hopefully as Hillary wins more, the other side will slowly quiet down... anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #21
Same in Washington. LisaM Apr 2016 #23
I can vouche for this pandr32 Apr 2016 #24
Proof that bumper stickers, yard signs, rallies don't equal votes UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #26
The Bernie supporters I know are bullies and I choose not to engage them. redstatebluegirl Apr 2016 #27
I think it will be worse for a bit, probably. LisaM Apr 2016 #29

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
2. Some people think they have a better grasp of details.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:21 PM
Apr 2016

Unfortunately, most don't. Case in point with the guy using fossil fuels for his argument.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. No, we are not loud and pushing talking points, we just know Hillary is the most qualified
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

candidate running.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
6. In NYC, people know to keep quiet around the disturbed people talking real loud to themselves
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

You keep quiet and avoid eye contact...

sheshe2

(83,780 posts)
10. Sad isn't it SunSeeker.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

The loudest IS the people! No.

We have been here all along. Shhhh, quietly. Lol~ We work in mysterious ways. We are tireless and we keep moving forward. Sure they want us silenced, look what the GOP has tried to do to us and we still stand and fight. We will not be marginalized. So sad when our own party does that to us.

We are the future. Why? It is because we birth you and love you and raise you and help you with your moral course. It's the mothers. We birth the future.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
11. My best friend's husband is an over the top Berniebro.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

I have had to just avoid him. My friend knows I support Hillary, but I can't tell him, or else he would get in an argument with me. And I don't want to strain our friendship, since I know the argument would not end well.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
18. sorry you have to deal with that...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:04 AM
Apr 2016

Some of the most "liberal" men can be among the most sexist. They pride themselves on their enlightened views and stark contrasts with the Right, but they often employ the same sexist tactics of intimidation and aggression. It's worse, in a way, because they refuse to acknowledge their sexism.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
20. It's even sadder for my friend, who's married to him!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

She told me a story about how he screamed at her long-time hairdresser when she made an off-hand comment that she paid too much in taxes (with her small, but successful hair salon). He, in front of everyone, told her she shouldn't be complaining about taxes, she should be paying more, and basically called her greedy. Now my friend needs to find a new salon to go to to get her hair cut!

Treant

(1,968 posts)
8. Ditto here
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think the other team's supporters are helping themselves too much. Just their influence has caused me to go from curious neutrality to wanting to watch Clinton wipe the floor with him.

They also aren't positively influencing neutral voters, and I've been candidly told that neutrality has become Clinton support just because they can't listen to this for four years.

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
25. Same here - I was on the fence for a long time, but the more venom they spewed, the more
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

I moved to her side. Now I just want this over with and decisively so!

Cha

(297,269 posts)
12. This is awesome, she! I love the way Michele Goldberg writes her personal story so
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

eloquently, that speaks for so many of us in different situations.

I can imagine how surprised she was, after the results were verified in her neighborhood and the surrounding areas, with the evidence to the contrary leading up to it!

At least, I thought I’d learned it. Tuesday night, I learned it again, less painfully. Brooklyn is full of a certain kind of archetypal Sanders voter—young, hip, highly educated, and ideological. But in Brooklyn as a whole, Hillary Clinton beat native son Bernie Sanders by 20 percent. The borough was with her, even if it didn’t always feel like it.


Cindy Leinwand ??@CindyLeinwand12
I love this photo of Hillary just taking it all in!
7:37 PM - 19 Apr 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/20/early-bird-chat-724/#comments

New York Appreciated Hillary Clinton as their Senator and BS being born there and his big rallies didn't change that.

Good find! Thank you!

Raissa

(217 posts)
15. Wonderful tale
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:58 AM
Apr 2016

And unfortunately I think this is a regular event. I don't like talking about politics on my own facebook page for fear of being swarmed and I'm not on facebook to argue with anyone.

But I've sent my two year old to daycare in her Hillary shirt which revealed her caregivers are quiet supporters. When I wear my women's rights shirt I am again and again surprised by the number of people who stop and comment or offer the smile and nod.

I'm in a state that when overwhelmingly for Hillary (FL), but am still wary of putting up signs or other overt labels. I don't trust people to behave rationally.

brer cat

(24,568 posts)
16. It is more important to speak with our vote.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:56 AM
Apr 2016

But it is disgraceful that so many of us have been quiet because of the bullies on the other side. I live in a very red area, and my sister and I were harassed because of our support for Obama in 2008 and 12. It had nothing to do with issues, just the fact that we supported that (gasp!!!) black man. It is bad enough to take that crap from republicans, but I'm not going to do it with bullies that are supposedly democrats.

I love that picture of Hillary in your OP, sheshe, and this thread. You rock, girl!!!!

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
17. I've learned that a long time ago....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

been in or a round campaigns since I was 12....the voting booth action speaks louder than words.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
19. I think we may find this in the general election as well.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

When your candidate is a serious person with a rational platform running against a "Populist", it's a lot easier to keep your head down and vote. Engaging with Bernie followers or Trump supporters will get you nothing but aggressive rhetoric and hero worship. What a dreadful combination.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
21. I couldn't agree more...but hopefully as Hillary wins more, the other side will slowly quiet down...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

or we will all be empowered enough to realize that we really are in the majority and start speaking up!

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
23. Same in Washington.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

I knew a lot of people who skipped the caucuses for fear of being bullied by young, white tech workers.

pandr32

(11,586 posts)
24. I can vouche for this
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:39 PM
Apr 2016

Same thing here when I went to my caucus in WA State. Bernie signs, buttons, cars with bumper stickers, and swagger everywhere. We felt overwhelmed in the auditorium until we broke to rooms to elect delegates for the State convention.

Wow! There were more than 50 extremely pleasant people for Hillary in that one room, but they had been virtually unidentified in the auditorium, save a relative few.

Why? Overt hostility is why. It is everywhere and most of us Hillary supporters can't stomach it.

I am proud to support her, but I have had my fill of people getting in my face and having nonsensical replies to my comments while arguing with them. They are too often like the Libertarians I got into arguments with when I went to the store and found them on the sidewalk with a sign of Obama with a Hitler mustache trying to get people to sign petitions to impeach him.

I did wear a Hillary sticker on my lapel

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
26. Proof that bumper stickers, yard signs, rallies don't equal votes
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

A movement is always bigger. People are more enthused and wanting to show their allegiance. However, time and time again the comparison about "yuge" rallies whereas Hillary only packs 500 people has been shown not to matter.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
27. The Bernie supporters I know are bullies and I choose not to engage them.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

I honestly think it may be worse after Hillary wins the nomination. I hope not, but I think so.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
29. I think it will be worse for a bit, probably.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

But considering I never heard any of my friends who voted for him even mention Bernie Sanders before this election cycle, I imagine they'll move forward.

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