Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumA Lot of Hillary Clinton’s New York Supporters Kept Quiet About Their Allegiances
Until Tuesday night, I had assumed that my neighborhood, Cobble Hill, Brooklyn, was overwhelmingly supporting Bernie Sanders. Sanders bumper stickers and T-shirts outnumbered those for Hillary Clinton by what seemed like 20 to 1. A couple of times, I thought about putting my baby daughter in a Clinton onesiewhatever my hesitations about Clintons candidacy, I love the idea of my girls first image of an American president being female. But I always hesitated, not wanting to invite playground harangues from local dads about Goldman Sachs and the Fed.
When I looked up Cobble Hill on the nifty New York Times tool providing neighborhood-by-neighborhood results, however, it turned out that Clinton won the immediate area around my apartment by 59.4 percent. A block over, she won by 72.5 percent. She won all around me. A lot of Clinton supporters, evidently, have been keeping quiet about their allegiances.
There are a couple of explanations for this. Sanders fans seem to be more enthusiastic, though it takes a certain amount of enthusiasm to vote in a primary at all. Registered independents couldn't vote in New Yorks closed primary, particularly given the absurd, undemocratic October deadline for switching parties. But I think there might be something else at work as well: an optical illusion that the candidate with the most white male support had the most support, period. I had let myself mistake the loudest people for The People.
Im not trying to deny that the Sanders coalition is diverse or to erase the many passionate women and men of color who supported him. But the fact remains that according to exit polls, Clinton won every racial and gender demographic except white men. And somehow, Id become convinced that, in my own backyard, their preferences were far more widespread than they really are.
Ive heard anecdotally from other women whove kept their support for Clinton somewhat quiet, because they assumed they were in a minority. On Tuesday I spoke to Bushwick resident Savannah Cox, a 26-year-old writer and researcher at the New School, a famously progressive Greenwich Village university.
As a Clinton fan, I have had to be diplomatic even though I am patronized, she says. I am honestly sick of it. She describes one male friend who offered to speak more slowly so she could fully grasp his point about Clintons complicity with the fossil fuel lobby. Cox says she has stopped talking about politics with her friends: I cant do it. I dont want to engage. (Bushwicks neighborhoods were divided between Sanders and Clinton.) Again, this is a single anecdote, but it makes me think Im not alone in being reluctant to advertise my support for Clinton.
More: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/04/20/many_hillary_clinton_supporters_in_new_york_kept_their_allegiances_quiet.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_bot
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Last night was awesome my friends. Sadly women know when to be silent. Bullies. It is okay our voices were heard. That is a fact.
kjones
(1,053 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)Unfortunately, most don't. Case in point with the guy using fossil fuels for his argument.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)candidate running.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)You keep quiet and avoid eye contact...
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)"I had let myself mistake the loudest people for The People."
sheshe2
(83,780 posts)The loudest IS the people! No.
We have been here all along. Shhhh, quietly. Lol~ We work in mysterious ways. We are tireless and we keep moving forward. Sure they want us silenced, look what the GOP has tried to do to us and we still stand and fight. We will not be marginalized. So sad when our own party does that to us.
We are the future. Why? It is because we birth you and love you and raise you and help you with your moral course. It's the mothers. We birth the future.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)I have had to just avoid him. My friend knows I support Hillary, but I can't tell him, or else he would get in an argument with me. And I don't want to strain our friendship, since I know the argument would not end well.
sarae
(3,284 posts)Some of the most "liberal" men can be among the most sexist. They pride themselves on their enlightened views and stark contrasts with the Right, but they often employ the same sexist tactics of intimidation and aggression. It's worse, in a way, because they refuse to acknowledge their sexism.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)She told me a story about how he screamed at her long-time hairdresser when she made an off-hand comment that she paid too much in taxes (with her small, but successful hair salon). He, in front of everyone, told her she shouldn't be complaining about taxes, she should be paying more, and basically called her greedy. Now my friend needs to find a new salon to go to to get her hair cut!
He sounds like a self-righteous, holier-than-thou type...and abusive, too...
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Treant
(1,968 posts)I don't think the other team's supporters are helping themselves too much. Just their influence has caused me to go from curious neutrality to wanting to watch Clinton wipe the floor with him.
They also aren't positively influencing neutral voters, and I've been candidly told that neutrality has become Clinton support just because they can't listen to this for four years.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)I moved to her side. Now I just want this over with and decisively so!
LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)and their message was loud and clear.
Cha
(297,269 posts)eloquently, that speaks for so many of us in different situations.
I can imagine how surprised she was, after the results were verified in her neighborhood and the surrounding areas, with the evidence to the contrary leading up to it!
Cindy Leinwand ??@CindyLeinwand12
I love this photo of Hillary just taking it all in!
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New York Appreciated Hillary Clinton as their Senator and BS being born there and his big rallies didn't change that.
Good find! Thank you!
sheshe2
(83,780 posts)she rocked it Cha!
Boom!
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Raissa
(217 posts)And unfortunately I think this is a regular event. I don't like talking about politics on my own facebook page for fear of being swarmed and I'm not on facebook to argue with anyone.
But I've sent my two year old to daycare in her Hillary shirt which revealed her caregivers are quiet supporters. When I wear my women's rights shirt I am again and again surprised by the number of people who stop and comment or offer the smile and nod.
I'm in a state that when overwhelmingly for Hillary (FL), but am still wary of putting up signs or other overt labels. I don't trust people to behave rationally.
brer cat
(24,568 posts)But it is disgraceful that so many of us have been quiet because of the bullies on the other side. I live in a very red area, and my sister and I were harassed because of our support for Obama in 2008 and 12. It had nothing to do with issues, just the fact that we supported that (gasp!!!) black man. It is bad enough to take that crap from republicans, but I'm not going to do it with bullies that are supposedly democrats.
I love that picture of Hillary in your OP, sheshe, and this thread. You rock, girl!!!!
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)been in or a round campaigns since I was 12....the voting booth action speaks louder than words.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)When your candidate is a serious person with a rational platform running against a "Populist", it's a lot easier to keep your head down and vote. Engaging with Bernie followers or Trump supporters will get you nothing but aggressive rhetoric and hero worship. What a dreadful combination.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)or we will all be empowered enough to realize that we really are in the majority and start speaking up!
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I knew a lot of people who skipped the caucuses for fear of being bullied by young, white tech workers.
pandr32
(11,586 posts)Same thing here when I went to my caucus in WA State. Bernie signs, buttons, cars with bumper stickers, and swagger everywhere. We felt overwhelmed in the auditorium until we broke to rooms to elect delegates for the State convention.
Wow! There were more than 50 extremely pleasant people for Hillary in that one room, but they had been virtually unidentified in the auditorium, save a relative few.
Why? Overt hostility is why. It is everywhere and most of us Hillary supporters can't stomach it.
I am proud to support her, but I have had my fill of people getting in my face and having nonsensical replies to my comments while arguing with them. They are too often like the Libertarians I got into arguments with when I went to the store and found them on the sidewalk with a sign of Obama with a Hitler mustache trying to get people to sign petitions to impeach him.
I did wear a Hillary sticker on my lapel
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)A movement is always bigger. People are more enthused and wanting to show their allegiance. However, time and time again the comparison about "yuge" rallies whereas Hillary only packs 500 people has been shown not to matter.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I honestly think it may be worse after Hillary wins the nomination. I hope not, but I think so.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)But considering I never heard any of my friends who voted for him even mention Bernie Sanders before this election cycle, I imagine they'll move forward.