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One thing that's always bothered me about the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Ed Schultz is that they're so bombastic even if they're at opposite sides of the political spectrum. Mike Malloy, Thom Hartmann, and Randi Rhodes fit that mold as well. However, I have been able to occasionally listen to them all -- save that bloviating opiated waste-of-space Limbaugh -- for years occasionally. That all changed last year. I stopped subscribing and listening to The Young Turks when they really ramped up the anti-Hillary/Clintons propaganda last year.
Cenk, as an ex Republican (along with the origin of the name "The Young Turks" being founded on Armenian genocide), has always struck me as a bit full of himself and possessed of that same piously righteous streak as Sanders in that he thinks his liberal view of the world is the only view. Stumbled on this interesting article and wanted to share it given the irony of his taking big money despite its origins. Meanwhile, they continue to wrongly decry Hillary Clinton taking money for speeches and how it's supposedly corrupted her. Maybe they should append that old Catholic honorary, "The Incorruptible" to "The Young Turks"? Mix it in some way? Maybe, "The Incorruptible Green Young Turks - Now with 4 Millions!"?
Here's the lead in to the article followed by an excerpt. There is much more at the link -- including some lively discussion. Enjoy!
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Cenk Uygur Just Took $4-Million from a Conservative Source (but He's Still a Better Liberal Than You)
A group headed by former Republican presidential candidate Buddy Roemer just inked a deal to provide $4-million in seed money to The Young Turks. Roemer is anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, anti-Obamacare and pro-torture, but hey, at least he wants to get money out of politics, which is enough for Cenk to think he's a-okay.
Just a little while ago the Young Turks Network announced that it's inked a deal to get $4-million in seed money from a group run by Buddy Roemer. With the funding comes an option that could double the take for TYT, with the whole thing being made through Roemer's private equity fund, Roemer, Robinson, Melville & Co. Roemer himself is a pretty staunch conservative, despite having been a Democrat for many years and a late-career decision to try running for president as a member of both the Reform and Americans Elect party. In addition to his retrograde views on abortion and gay marriage, he also supported Arizona's draconian crackdown on undocumented immigrants, is pro-torture, and is for the repeal of the ACA, saying that it amounts to government interference in healthcare. In other words, the guy is the furthest thing from a liberal.
But as we know, a large-scale political bent isn't as important or desirable as it used to be. These days it's entirely possible to get away with treating politics like you do everything else: as something that can be split apart and consumed à la carte and on-demand. Pick which issue is most important to you, your personal sine qua non, and ignore everything else. Think drones and kill lists are the most pressing problem facing America right now? Congratulations, you can apparently #StandWithRand and still be taken seriously as a liberal, even though he's kind of a racist asshole. Think NSA spying matters more than anything else in the whole world? Hey, Glenn Greenwald has figured out a way to overcome the cognitive dissonance that should plague you if you choose to align yourself with otherwise repugnant creatures who happen to be anti-surveillance.
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SunSeeker
(51,563 posts)Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Especially to the Sanders supporters who hail him as a hero and decry those who take money as corrupt.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Starting to see that the word "progressive" = narcissistic faux liberal. It is nothing more than a word being used by con-artists and scalawags who are out to make a buck or who are into self-aggrandizement.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)The conservatives want them to continue sandbagging Hillary through the general election.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)should!"
Divide and conquer is what the moneyed "Right" use as tactics against democracy and the populace. They lost the control over broadcast and cable media, even print media, because of the interwebs (which they tried very hard to control as well, but what failed), so now they've set a battle plan to use so-called liberal voices to castigate and lie about Hillary Clinton, and Cenk is profiting from it.
pandr32
(11,586 posts)It definitely has turned many off of her. They have no idea what a wonderful candidate she really is.
TMontoya
(369 posts)or TYT, are they worth it?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)went full-on tilt against President Obama, was soon thereafter, canceled, and then found a new home at Putin's cable channel, RT.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Cenk can be a bit much at times -- even when you agree with him. When they were doing story after story on bad cops, I sent them a link to a cop who did EVERYTHING he could to NOT shoot a guy here in Vegas. Did TYT run with that story? Of course not!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)of minutes before I had to switch. I can't stand self-proclaimed Liberals attacking some bad policies President Obama has had to support, but at least explain WHY he had to, and not outright condemn him.
I guess TYT's constant and reliable condemnation of President Obama and Democrats (while completely absolving the unprecedented obstructionism by Republicans in Congress) is why ConservaDem-turned-Libertarian Buddy Roemer has given Cenk's show $4 million seed money.
Roemer knows what we know: Hillary is going to win this. And because of that, he needs reliable "liberal" voices to attack her and Democrats for another 8 years, preferably 4, but it will be 8 years so that a Republican will finally get back into the White House to continue to destroy Big Gubment.
With "liberal" voices like Cenk Uygur, who needs Bill O'Reilly?
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Since I don't just rely on that show for my news, I started to notice that very often facts were missing, misstated, or seemingly purposely distorted. I figured it couldn't be the latter most of the time, and chopped it up to being due to time constraints rather than nefarious intention. However, when the primary season started, I figured that we'd get even handed coverage of the candidates. Instead I noticed that Secretary Clinton was attacked even if the story was unrelated to politics or about the Republicans. It became really annoying for me when there was more glowing coverage -- maybe not positive but certainly without the disdain for Hillary in tone -- for Donald Trump. Then it became so bad during their coverage of debates that even their Sanders fans (albeit very rarely) started to say what's the point of watching with their bias? Why? Well, they typically have the following videos posted after any debate and you can guess who won each category by the titles:
- Best line of the debate > pro-Bernie
- Worse line of the debate > pro-Hillary
- Debate's biggest loser > pro-Hillary
- Debate's biggest winner > pro-Bernie
- Summary of the debate > pro-Bernie
The above compounded with their poor coverage of other stories and Cenk's "personality" forced me to cancel my monthly subscription and stop watching altogether.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)...and then switched parties...became a republican.
What a guy!
From Wikipedia:
In Congress, Roemer frequently supported Reagan policy initiatives and fought with the Democratic congressional leadership,[12] though he remained in the party. He also criticized then Democratic House leader Tip O'Neill of Massachusetts for being "too liberal", and was in turn characterized by Speaker O'Neill as being "often wrong but never in doubt.".[17][17]
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)I have never watched TYT and after its incessant Hillary-bashing (as posted by his many DU fans), I likely never will. But this article is a good find.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)It's a pretty apt description to call the online Fox News of the Left.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)Cha
(297,275 posts)continue his ugly smears against Hillary.. falsely thinking he's helping BS.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Very much reminds me of the a certain someone.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Never like big Ed and find Thom unwatchable. Bless their hearts. Very little self reflection with them. I rarely find people who don't question their own vulnerability, interesting.
LuvLoogie
(7,009 posts)Cenk can't argue his way out of a paper bag. He keeps running into the brick walls in his head. Screw him.
Tom fed the Bernie or Busters as well. I listen to his show from time to time. I think it's funny when he appeals to his own authority to back up his positions. How often have you heard--"I wrote a book about it!"--?
And he gives away his books to the "caller of the show"
"Which of my books would you like?"
I listento WCPT in Chicago, and I am so glad when they stopped carrying Joe Santos, who sounds just like Cenk.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I wonder how many those guys have of their own books.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Not interested in his brand of bloviation.
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Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)I don't care to bicker with them. If this was posted over in General Discussion they would definitely derail it with personal attacks. I'm not interested in that since Cenk is one of their heroes.
kjones
(1,053 posts)The "a la carte" politics though, that's a pretty good summation of, and explanation for, the random
assortment of supporters Bernie has cobbled together. Democratic support, the core, grows slow.
Bernie's support grew fast, not because he's particularly awesome or anything, but because his
support and supporters were founded on a tiny number of issues. It's easy to build a coalition to
support you when you don't worry about building relative consensus on any more than a handful
of issues. It's not a good strategy long term though, built up quick, falls down quick. Look at the
Tea Party on the Republican side, same thing, few issues (namely, "Obama sux, government sux" .
When it came time to do things though, they scattered in all directions like cockroaches. Really,
still almost feel sorry for Old Boehner...completely powerless. The only thing that's held the
Tea Party "enhanced" Republican party together is, amusingly, Obama...or hatred of him. Otherwise,
they'd have ripped each others' throats out by now...even more so than it seems like they have.
The Democratic core though, is much stronger than that. It can have it's problems, but a lot
like an ecosystem, it's grown into it's form organically, relatively balanced. Strength in diversity,
interdependence, and symbiosis.
Bernie's group grew more like...I don't know...a mono-crop field of corn? Low diversity, intensive
focus, turbo charged by the fertilizer of $27 (...ish) donations and media hype...but ultimately,
susceptible to it's own monolithic weaknesses. Bernie blight ruins the whole crop.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)I'll remember that when I start putting down my thesis. Though,
I'm sure I'll rethink this in the morning.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)brer cat
(24,570 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)after-glow from Tuesday.
What a well-deserved drubbing for Team Pinocchio. Satisfyingly clear-cut, after his low-down, lying double-cross.
So, you love words, too? Words are like mental catnip for the mind!
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)a few years ago when I was in grad school. I'm very out of practice but you and a few others here are helping me get my juices going again. Right now, I'm a therapist and work with mentally ill adults so barely do any real writing. I am having a field day here on DU, however, it's a virtual Petri dish of insanity, cognitive dissonance, and group think. Love seeing what people write on this forum - some great writers here on the Hillary Group. Am really thinking about doing a paper about this place. My area of specialty is group behavior. (Why people do the effed up things they do, how so many people can fall victim to group think and cognitive dissonance.)
I could use some research partners/volunteers/editors - so if you're interested, let me know. Need some good writers. You don't get paid much for getting a paper published in a medical/psych journal but it looks good on a resume' and they send you to a lot of conferences and presentations if you like that sort of thing. You could add a lot of humor and some punch to the publication. I need a good editor too if you're good at that.
If nothing else, we could have a lot of fun. Most of these journals like timely and new subject matter and will beg you to publish your paper. It's an adventure......
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)I suppose there are worse jobs.
brush
(53,784 posts)Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)brush
(53,784 posts)Wait, that answers itself.
What's not answered is why an allegedly progressive network would take that money?
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)That is, supposedly one of Roemer & Uyger's shared "hot bed issues" -- sorry for the visual -- is campaign finance reform.
brush
(53,784 posts)Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Though I'm sure Cenk & his acolytes will, of course, say their intentions are as pure as the driven snow.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)They are another example of RW push to get the easier target in the GE so a Republican can win the GE.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)sooner or later these self appointed guardians of purity sell out for cash.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What an ass he was ... and good for the AA pilot for kicking him off the flight. That was the correct decision. He deserved it.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Sorriest dang excuse for a revolution ever!
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I think he is basically a member of the Libertarian Left.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)pointing out that I've coined a word for the Libertarian Left - Liberaltarians. And these people are as dangerous and detrimental to the U.S. as their rightie version, Libertarians and other miscellaneous RWers.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,026 posts)Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)I didn't hear of them (TYT) until I was looking for something to fill the void after Air America went down.