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Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:50 AM Apr 2016

Cenk Uygur Just Took $4-Mill from a Conservative Source (but He's Still a Better Liberal Than You)

One thing that's always bothered me about the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Ed Schultz is that they're so bombastic even if they're at opposite sides of the political spectrum. Mike Malloy, Thom Hartmann, and Randi Rhodes fit that mold as well. However, I have been able to occasionally listen to them all -- save that bloviating opiated waste-of-space Limbaugh -- for years occasionally. That all changed last year. I stopped subscribing and listening to The Young Turks when they really ramped up the anti-Hillary/Clintons propaganda last year.

Cenk, as an ex Republican (along with the origin of the name "The Young Turks" being founded on Armenian genocide), has always struck me as a bit full of himself and possessed of that same piously righteous streak as Sanders in that he thinks his liberal view of the world is the only view. Stumbled on this interesting article and wanted to share it given the irony of his taking big money despite its origins. Meanwhile, they continue to wrongly decry Hillary Clinton taking money for speeches and how it's supposedly corrupted her. Maybe they should append that old Catholic honorary, "The Incorruptible" to "The Young Turks"? Mix it in some way? Maybe, "The Incorruptible Green Young Turks - Now with 4 Millions!"?

Here's the lead in to the article followed by an excerpt. There is much more at the link -- including some lively discussion. Enjoy!

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Cenk Uygur Just Took $4-Million from a Conservative Source (but He's Still a Better Liberal Than You)

A group headed by former Republican presidential candidate Buddy Roemer just inked a deal to provide $4-million in seed money to The Young Turks. Roemer is anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, anti-Obamacare and pro-torture, but hey, at least he wants to get money out of politics, which is enough for Cenk to think he's a-okay.

One of the pitfalls of running a for-profit media company that traffics almost entirely in one specific brand of political opinion is that your funding, and where it comes from, becomes especially relevant. If you spend all day espousing what you claim are strongly liberal views, then turn around and take a giant bag of money from, say, a former Republican candidate for president and governor of Louisiana who has worked against a woman's right to choose and in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act, people might accuse you of being a bit hypocritical.

Just a little while ago the Young Turks Network announced that it's inked a deal to get $4-million in seed money from a group run by Buddy Roemer. With the funding comes an option that could double the take for TYT, with the whole thing being made through Roemer's private equity fund, Roemer, Robinson, Melville & Co. Roemer himself is a pretty staunch conservative, despite having been a Democrat for many years and a late-career decision to try running for president as a member of both the Reform and Americans Elect party. In addition to his retrograde views on abortion and gay marriage, he also supported Arizona's draconian crackdown on undocumented immigrants, is pro-torture, and is for the repeal of the ACA, saying that it amounts to government interference in healthcare. In other words, the guy is the furthest thing from a liberal.

But as we know, a large-scale political bent isn't as important or desirable as it used to be. These days it's entirely possible to get away with treating politics like you do everything else: as something that can be split apart and consumed à la carte and on-demand. Pick which issue is most important to you, your personal sine qua non, and ignore everything else. Think drones and kill lists are the most pressing problem facing America right now? Congratulations, you can apparently #StandWithRand and still be taken seriously as a liberal, even though he's kind of a racist asshole. Think NSA spying matters more than anything else in the whole world? Hey, Glenn Greenwald has figured out a way to overcome the cognitive dissonance that should plague you if you choose to align yourself with otherwise repugnant creatures who happen to be anti-surveillance.


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Cenk Uygur Just Took $4-Mill from a Conservative Source (but He's Still a Better Liberal Than You) (Original Post) Stand and Fight Apr 2016 OP
K & R for exposure. Cenk has become little more than a troll. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #1
Yes. This needs to be distributed far and wide. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #12
So sick of these "progressives" who pretend to be something they definitely are not. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #24
A General election investment no doubt SaschaHM Apr 2016 #2
My thought exactly. AND they can claim that "even liberal media criticizes her - so all liberals BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #5
You are most likely correct! pandr32 Apr 2016 #29
Never watched him TMontoya Apr 2016 #3
Nope. Cenk is a bloviator like Ed Schultz, although I found Schultz more entertaining - until he BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #6
This ^^ Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #14
Thanks, SandF. I have watched Cenk a few times on MSNBC but I just couldn't take more than a couple BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #39
That's been my view very often - even when it was my routine to watch throughout the day. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #41
Roemer's the guy who got elected Gov as a dem... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #4
Thanks for posting this. BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #7
Yeah, you'd not be missing anything at this point. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #15
K&R. for stripping the mask from another self serving hypocrite. eom UtahLib Apr 2016 #8
cenk is nothing but an emo and yes it does figure repubs would be giving him money to Cha Apr 2016 #9
The yelling, the faux outrage, the purism... Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #16
I can only take cenk in small bits gwheezie Apr 2016 #10
Ed is Ed. I don't have TV so I don't really get to watch it much, rarely live stream. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #51
Mark Levin does the same thing with his books. gwheezie Apr 2016 #52
Haven't seen Cenk since 2011 Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #13
Feel free. The Berners have repulsed me. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #17
Never cared for him. kjones Apr 2016 #18
There's nothing I can add to that - spot on! n/t Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #19
I guess I should do all my writing at three in the morning. kjones Apr 2016 #20
Ha ha! Jack Daniels is my muse... Lack of Sleep is his co-worker. ;) Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #21
Enjoying this thread........ kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #26
Excellent observations, kjones. nt brer cat Apr 2016 #31
K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #22
Cenk has become a caricature who believes his own bombastic BS. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #23
Hey Surya - like your way with words. Nice to see you again....... kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #25
Hey, good to see you, kerry! I'm still basking in the Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #28
Yep. Big bookworm and used to do a lot of writing. Got a paper/study published in a few journals kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #50
Spasmodic ranting for a living BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #27
Wonder if TYT started their anti-Clinton screeds before or after the 4M deal? brush Apr 2016 #30
Way before... They've been on the Hillary hate train since back in 2007/2008. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #42
Think that had anything to do with why Romer would want to do a deal with them? brush Apr 2016 #46
Well, according to the article it's supposedly a case of being in the bed with the devil... Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #47
Ahhh, ok. Didn't know that. Still suspect to me though to take that money. brush Apr 2016 #48
There's no doubt in my mind that there's also a healthy amount of greed involved. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #49
A link to tyt gets the same response as HA Goodman, it is rag information, don't believe it. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #32
He's a sell out for money, plain & simple.... Historic NY Apr 2016 #33
I can't stand that little shit ... his display at the airport was horrid. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #34
Agreed! The follow up (and subsequent utter failure) of "Democratic Spring" was laughable. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #43
He denies the Armenian Holocaust. He is no Liberal. Walk away Apr 2016 #35
Libertarian Left = Liberaltarians. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #36
You're correct. I should have said "Left Libertarian...whatever that is" Walk away Apr 2016 #37
No correction necessary, Walk. You've used the correct term - "the Libertarian Left". I was just BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #38
How apt! LOVE IT! Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #44
Wasn't he a pro-Bush warblogger that "saw the light"? sweetloukillbot Apr 2016 #40
I honestly don't know to be honest, but I'd not be surprised. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #45

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
12. Yes. This needs to be distributed far and wide.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:29 AM
Apr 2016

Especially to the Sanders supporters who hail him as a hero and decry those who take money as corrupt.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
24. So sick of these "progressives" who pretend to be something they definitely are not.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:59 AM
Apr 2016

Starting to see that the word "progressive" = narcissistic faux liberal. It is nothing more than a word being used by con-artists and scalawags who are out to make a buck or who are into self-aggrandizement.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
2. A General election investment no doubt
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

The conservatives want them to continue sandbagging Hillary through the general election.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
5. My thought exactly. AND they can claim that "even liberal media criticizes her - so all liberals
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:10 AM
Apr 2016

should!"

Divide and conquer is what the moneyed "Right" use as tactics against democracy and the populace. They lost the control over broadcast and cable media, even print media, because of the interwebs (which they tried very hard to control as well, but what failed), so now they've set a battle plan to use so-called liberal voices to castigate and lie about Hillary Clinton, and Cenk is profiting from it.

pandr32

(11,586 posts)
29. You are most likely correct!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:03 AM
Apr 2016

It definitely has turned many off of her. They have no idea what a wonderful candidate she really is.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
6. Nope. Cenk is a bloviator like Ed Schultz, although I found Schultz more entertaining - until he
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

went full-on tilt against President Obama, was soon thereafter, canceled, and then found a new home at Putin's cable channel, RT.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
14. This ^^
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:30 AM
Apr 2016

Cenk can be a bit much at times -- even when you agree with him. When they were doing story after story on bad cops, I sent them a link to a cop who did EVERYTHING he could to NOT shoot a guy here in Vegas. Did TYT run with that story? Of course not!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
39. Thanks, SandF. I have watched Cenk a few times on MSNBC but I just couldn't take more than a couple
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

of minutes before I had to switch. I can't stand self-proclaimed Liberals attacking some bad policies President Obama has had to support, but at least explain WHY he had to, and not outright condemn him.

I guess TYT's constant and reliable condemnation of President Obama and Democrats (while completely absolving the unprecedented obstructionism by Republicans in Congress) is why ConservaDem-turned-Libertarian Buddy Roemer has given Cenk's show $4 million seed money.

Roemer knows what we know: Hillary is going to win this. And because of that, he needs reliable "liberal" voices to attack her and Democrats for another 8 years, preferably 4, but it will be 8 years so that a Republican will finally get back into the White House to continue to destroy Big Gubment.

With "liberal" voices like Cenk Uygur, who needs Bill O'Reilly?

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
41. That's been my view very often - even when it was my routine to watch throughout the day.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

Since I don't just rely on that show for my news, I started to notice that very often facts were missing, misstated, or seemingly purposely distorted. I figured it couldn't be the latter most of the time, and chopped it up to being due to time constraints rather than nefarious intention. However, when the primary season started, I figured that we'd get even handed coverage of the candidates. Instead I noticed that Secretary Clinton was attacked even if the story was unrelated to politics or about the Republicans. It became really annoying for me when there was more glowing coverage -- maybe not positive but certainly without the disdain for Hillary in tone -- for Donald Trump. Then it became so bad during their coverage of debates that even their Sanders fans (albeit very rarely) started to say what's the point of watching with their bias? Why? Well, they typically have the following videos posted after any debate and you can guess who won each category by the titles:

- Best line of the debate > pro-Bernie
- Worse line of the debate > pro-Hillary
- Debate's biggest loser > pro-Hillary
- Debate's biggest winner > pro-Bernie
- Summary of the debate > pro-Bernie

The above compounded with their poor coverage of other stories and Cenk's "personality" forced me to cancel my monthly subscription and stop watching altogether.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
4. Roemer's the guy who got elected Gov as a dem...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:10 AM
Apr 2016

...and then switched parties...became a republican.

What a guy!

From Wikipedia:

In Congress, Roemer frequently supported Reagan policy initiatives and fought with the Democratic congressional leadership,[12] though he remained in the party. He also criticized then Democratic House leader Tip O'Neill of Massachusetts for being "too liberal", and was in turn characterized by Speaker O'Neill as being "often wrong but never in doubt.".[17][17]


BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
7. Thanks for posting this.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:25 AM
Apr 2016

I have never watched TYT and after its incessant Hillary-bashing (as posted by his many DU fans), I likely never will. But this article is a good find.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
15. Yeah, you'd not be missing anything at this point.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:31 AM
Apr 2016

It's a pretty apt description to call the online Fox News of the Left.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
9. cenk is nothing but an emo and yes it does figure repubs would be giving him money to
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:39 AM
Apr 2016

continue his ugly smears against Hillary.. falsely thinking he's helping BS.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
10. I can only take cenk in small bits
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:09 AM
Apr 2016

Never like big Ed and find Thom unwatchable. Bless their hearts. Very little self reflection with them. I rarely find people who don't question their own vulnerability, interesting.

LuvLoogie

(7,009 posts)
51. Ed is Ed. I don't have TV so I don't really get to watch it much, rarely live stream.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:43 PM
Apr 2016

Cenk can't argue his way out of a paper bag. He keeps running into the brick walls in his head. Screw him.

Tom fed the Bernie or Busters as well. I listen to his show from time to time. I think it's funny when he appeals to his own authority to back up his positions. How often have you heard--"I wrote a book about it!"--?

And he gives away his books to the "caller of the show"

"Which of my books would you like?"

I listento WCPT in Chicago, and I am so glad when they stopped carrying Joe Santos, who sounds just like Cenk.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
52. Mark Levin does the same thing with his books.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

I wonder how many those guys have of their own books.

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Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
17. Feel free. The Berners have repulsed me.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:34 AM
Apr 2016

I don't care to bicker with them. If this was posted over in General Discussion they would definitely derail it with personal attacks. I'm not interested in that since Cenk is one of their heroes.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
18. Never cared for him.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:37 AM
Apr 2016

The "a la carte" politics though, that's a pretty good summation of, and explanation for, the random
assortment of supporters Bernie has cobbled together. Democratic support, the core, grows slow.
Bernie's support grew fast, not because he's particularly awesome or anything, but because his
support and supporters were founded on a tiny number of issues. It's easy to build a coalition to
support you when you don't worry about building relative consensus on any more than a handful
of issues. It's not a good strategy long term though, built up quick, falls down quick. Look at the
Tea Party on the Republican side, same thing, few issues (namely, "Obama sux, government sux&quot .
When it came time to do things though, they scattered in all directions like cockroaches. Really,
still almost feel sorry for Old Boehner...completely powerless. The only thing that's held the
Tea Party "enhanced" Republican party together is, amusingly, Obama...or hatred of him. Otherwise,
they'd have ripped each others' throats out by now...even more so than it seems like they have.

The Democratic core though, is much stronger than that. It can have it's problems, but a lot
like an ecosystem, it's grown into it's form organically, relatively balanced. Strength in diversity,
interdependence, and symbiosis.

Bernie's group grew more like...I don't know...a mono-crop field of corn? Low diversity, intensive
focus, turbo charged by the fertilizer of $27 (...ish) donations and media hype...but ultimately,
susceptible to it's own monolithic weaknesses. Bernie blight ruins the whole crop.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
20. I guess I should do all my writing at three in the morning.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:46 AM
Apr 2016

I'll remember that when I start putting down my thesis. Though,
I'm sure I'll rethink this in the morning.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
28. Hey, good to see you, kerry! I'm still basking in the
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:30 AM
Apr 2016

after-glow from Tuesday.

What a well-deserved drubbing for Team Pinocchio. Satisfyingly clear-cut, after his low-down, lying double-cross.

So, you love words, too? Words are like mental catnip for the mind!

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
50. Yep. Big bookworm and used to do a lot of writing. Got a paper/study published in a few journals
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:18 PM
Apr 2016

a few years ago when I was in grad school. I'm very out of practice but you and a few others here are helping me get my juices going again. Right now, I'm a therapist and work with mentally ill adults so barely do any real writing. I am having a field day here on DU, however, it's a virtual Petri dish of insanity, cognitive dissonance, and group think. Love seeing what people write on this forum - some great writers here on the Hillary Group. Am really thinking about doing a paper about this place. My area of specialty is group behavior. (Why people do the effed up things they do, how so many people can fall victim to group think and cognitive dissonance.)

I could use some research partners/volunteers/editors - so if you're interested, let me know. Need some good writers. You don't get paid much for getting a paper published in a medical/psych journal but it looks good on a resume' and they send you to a lot of conferences and presentations if you like that sort of thing. You could add a lot of humor and some punch to the publication. I need a good editor too if you're good at that.

If nothing else, we could have a lot of fun. Most of these journals like timely and new subject matter and will beg you to publish your paper. It's an adventure......

brush

(53,784 posts)
46. Think that had anything to do with why Romer would want to do a deal with them?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

Wait, that answers itself.

What's not answered is why an allegedly progressive network would take that money?

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
47. Well, according to the article it's supposedly a case of being in the bed with the devil...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

That is, supposedly one of Roemer & Uyger's shared "hot bed issues" -- sorry for the visual -- is campaign finance reform.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
49. There's no doubt in my mind that there's also a healthy amount of greed involved.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

Though I'm sure Cenk & his acolytes will, of course, say their intentions are as pure as the driven snow.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
32. A link to tyt gets the same response as HA Goodman, it is rag information, don't believe it.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

They are another example of RW push to get the easier target in the GE so a Republican can win the GE.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
33. He's a sell out for money, plain & simple....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

sooner or later these self appointed guardians of purity sell out for cash.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
34. I can't stand that little shit ... his display at the airport was horrid.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

What an ass he was ... and good for the AA pilot for kicking him off the flight. That was the correct decision. He deserved it.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
43. Agreed! The follow up (and subsequent utter failure) of "Democratic Spring" was laughable.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

Sorriest dang excuse for a revolution ever!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
35. He denies the Armenian Holocaust. He is no Liberal.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

I think he is basically a member of the Libertarian Left.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
38. No correction necessary, Walk. You've used the correct term - "the Libertarian Left". I was just
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

pointing out that I've coined a word for the Libertarian Left - Liberaltarians. And these people are as dangerous and detrimental to the U.S. as their rightie version, Libertarians and other miscellaneous RWers.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
45. I honestly don't know to be honest, but I'd not be surprised.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

I didn't hear of them (TYT) until I was looking for something to fill the void after Air America went down.

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