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Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:23 PM Apr 2016

Jane Sanders hits Clinton for politicizing families of gun victims Read more: http://www.politico.c

WTF?

As Hillary Clinton held the latest in a series of panels and discussions with family members of those affected by gun violence, Bernie Sanders' top personal surrogate laced into her approach Thursday.
"I just don't like to see it be politicized. I think that Secretary Clinton's gun record is a lot more spotty than Bernie's," Jane Sanders, the wife of the Democratic presidential candidate, said in an interview with CNN, after the network cut away from coverage of Clinton's panel in Hartford, Connecticut, that included, among others, the daughter of the principal killed at Sandy Hook Elementary in 2012.
...
Nelba Marquez-Greene, whose daughter was killed at Sandy Hook in 2012, remarked before Sanders' comments that she came to the event "knowing I would be the subject of ridicule and ire, online harassment and abuse and knowing that people would make mean comments like 'Oh there goes Hillary, using those Sandy Hook families.'"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/jane-sanders-hillary-clinton-gun-violence-222276#ixzz46WPzhkcW




Here is the response from the daughter of the principal of Sandy Hook Elementary-

Erica L Smegielski
?@EricaSmegs
.@janeosanders -offended that you are saying @HillaryClinton is politicizing my mothers murder, have lunch with me? Would love to talk truth


and again-
Erica L Smegielski
?@EricaSmegs
.@janeosanders Will you be in CT this weekend? You're welcome at my house any time. I would love to open dialogue on this issue.
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Jane Sanders hits Clinton for politicizing families of gun victims Read more: http://www.politico.c (Original Post) Rose Siding Apr 2016 OP
meanwhile her hubby votes to kill people all over the planet using drones and US military nt msongs Apr 2016 #1
Jane, just stop. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #2
Politics, and one seems surprised? Cannot imagine why, we are all guilty of such.... AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #3
Erica was great at the gun violence forum today, hope Jane takes her up on it Lucinda Apr 2016 #4
Breaks my heart Ms Marquez-Greene foresaw this sort of mean comment Rose Siding Apr 2016 #7
She, actually everyone on the panel, from the young man who turned his life around, to the woman Lucinda Apr 2016 #9
I read this awhile ago.. jane must be doing it again and again even though it's not working for Cha Apr 2016 #5
If you get a chance to watch the video of the meeting today, I highly recommend it. Lucinda Apr 2016 #6
Do you know where I can watch it? Control-Z Apr 2016 #51
Yeah this backfired on Ms. Sanders ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #8
It may just be coincidence ... LannyDeVaney Apr 2016 #10
Jane sure has those NRA talking points down pat! SunSeeker Apr 2016 #11
+1 sarae Apr 2016 #24
shut up jane. DesertFlower Apr 2016 #12
Trying to keep and gather more gun owners, although many gun owners are Dems Iliyah Apr 2016 #13
Huge mistake by Jane Sanders Haveadream Apr 2016 #14
Those babies died. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #18
Jane fulfilling the natural role of a Sander's surrogate.. SaschaHM Apr 2016 #15
How Trumpian of Ms. Jane. Shows a singular lack of compassion on her part. n/t Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #16
I don't understand the reasoning anyway. LisaM Apr 2016 #17
agree with you apcalc Apr 2016 #26
No, sanders isn't a "global thinker".. he has nothing but smears and lies. we don't Cha Apr 2016 #44
The Sandy Hook families started fighting years ago... Satch59 Apr 2016 #19
That's right.. she's just bitter because they don't want bernie. I can't imagine the geniuses Cha Apr 2016 #45
Mama Bear Jane needs to take a step back as a senior advisor to her husband's campaign Whimsey Apr 2016 #20
"Jane is too protective of her husband to be his political advisor." Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #37
He's has no record to run on.. so team BS steals the goplaybook 101 that attacks & smears Cha Apr 2016 #46
Wow sarae Apr 2016 #21
omg That just happened and I completely forgot that ad with Erica Garner Rose Siding Apr 2016 #31
Can you just imagine Bill speaking out like Ms. Jane did on such an incendiary issue? Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #36
very true... sarae Apr 2016 #50
Can't agree more SharonClark Apr 2016 #49
Compassion for the families of victims of gun violence would have gone a long Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #22
This back-woods Vermont woman is proving to be predictably ill-suited to Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #23
You have said everything that I am thinking about her. livetohike Apr 2016 #27
The BS alert stalkers are out in force, and I had my fourth hide yesterday. Soooo, Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #30
Be careful! I have only had one hide, but if I didn't type and livetohike Apr 2016 #32
Obviously abusive, as you can see in the OP, which is still up. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #35
So says the folks who cynically tried to exploit Pope Francis... Princess Turandot Apr 2016 #25
My own first reaction upon BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #41
This woman is devoid of compassion. I was turned off by her the first time livetohike Apr 2016 #28
I agree 100% pandr32 Apr 2016 #48
Speaking of entitlement BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #29
Yeah, just get down off this high-horse...I was up here first! LOLOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #38
Love your BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #42
Bernie & Jane would love everyone to stop talking about stopping gun violence! Walk away Apr 2016 #33
Did they ask her about those taxes? Her Sister Apr 2016 #34
Sanders, both of them, need to do their homework regarding Clinton, the Sandy Hook shootiings.... George II Apr 2016 #39
Hogwash, Jane! book_worm Apr 2016 #40
Jane needs to GET A GRIP DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #43
Hillary Clinton is being an advocate for families of gun violence victims pandr32 Apr 2016 #47
Of course, Jane. Yes, they've been through so much already. We should just let them be and ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #52
Disgusting. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #53
Politicizing to you Jane Her Sister Apr 2016 #54
Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia professor Whimsey Apr 2016 #55

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
3. Politics, and one seems surprised? Cannot imagine why, we are all guilty of such....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

It's the nature of the beast we ourselves have created....

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
4. Erica was great at the gun violence forum today, hope Jane takes her up on it
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:30 PM
Apr 2016

she might learn something.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
7. Breaks my heart Ms Marquez-Greene foresaw this sort of mean comment
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

I bet she didn't know it would come from a "dem" candidate's spouse. Still she was strong enough to stand up and try to find meaning in her child's death.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
9. She, actually everyone on the panel, from the young man who turned his life around, to the woman
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

who has no kids but is an educator, to the three? i think, women who had direct family connections to gun murders, as well as the politicians and ministers who spoke from the audience, all had heart wrenching stories to share. Hillary served as a moderator for them to speak about the problems, and to talk about the process of finding and implementing real measures to make progress.

It was extraordinary to watch it streaming live. Haven't been able to find a link or transcript.

And to think that anyone is trying to make this a political attack, is disgusting. And so is the abuse these people deal with every day for speaking out for common sense laws.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
5. I read this awhile ago.. jane must be doing it again and again even though it's not working for
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:30 PM
Apr 2016

the campaign to be so callous and ignorant.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
10. It may just be coincidence ...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

but the more we hear from Mrs. Sanders, the darker his campaign becomes. The longer we go - the worse it becomes across the board, so maybe it's just coincidence.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
24. +1
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:25 AM
Apr 2016

Yep...it's almost like she didn't change a word, just parroted the standard NRA "politicizing gun tragedies is bad" speech. Maybe Bernie should just start stumping for Trump; he's already doing it anyway. Why not just be honest about it?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. Trying to keep and gather more gun owners, although many gun owners are Dems
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:40 AM
Apr 2016

and who will vote for HRC. Not all gun owners think, believe nor act like the RW ones. Gun owners are strong in my family, and will vote for HRC because she is right.

No one is trying to take guns away. Sensible gun laws need to be in place. WTF is wrong with that?

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
14. Huge mistake by Jane Sanders
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

The devastating pain of Sandy Hook massacre of the children and teachers is as fresh today as when it happened. There is nothing any politician or surrogate can do but be absolutely humbled by the heartbreak and courage of the survivors. The ONLY appropriate response is to listen with an open heart and mind and offer comfort. The Sanders family needs more humility and compassion in the face of tragedy and suffering. Their cynicism makes them look all the worse when you have families who you literally cannot hurt any more than they already have been.

They need to stop

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
18. Those babies died.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:30 AM
Apr 2016

Her response is ugly at best. I cried and cried when it happened. I could not stop crying. The trauma, the survivors went through will haunt them for the rest of there lives. That is a fact.







SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
15. Jane fulfilling the natural role of a Sander's surrogate..
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:00 AM
Apr 2016

tanking his chances in a state thanks to tone deaf comments.

I wish she would take some the $27 donations and get to Vermont so she can release those tax returns.

I'm glad that she will never be the first lady.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
17. I don't understand the reasoning anyway.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

Why is it unreasonable to ask politicians to take on these challenges? The Sanders have an attribute I see sometimes in people who see everything in huge, broad strokes. It is hard for them to relate to the problems of individuals.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
26. agree with you
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:42 AM
Apr 2016

I see Sanders as a more global thinker, and we need people like that. Ideas are important.

Moreover, I see Hillary as someone who can put ideas into practice, will plan and maneuver to get as much done as possible when faced with only intransigence from the other side.



Cha

(297,323 posts)
44. No, sanders isn't a "global thinker".. he has nothing but smears and lies. we don't
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

need him at all.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
19. The Sandy Hook families started fighting years ago...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:29 AM
Apr 2016

Remember when they were ridiculed by members of GOP when they came to Washington? Or mocked by the group that feels this never happened?? These families deserve every voice that stands with them for better gun control laws...

Jane is mad because they didn't choose Bernie...she should have learned her lesson after the Daily News headline that began Bernie's big NY fail...this subject will never get them anywhere but further down... He just clinched losing CT.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
45. That's right.. she's just bitter because they don't want bernie. I can't imagine the geniuses
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

@ team BS thinking this is a good idea.. just like trying to divide the "Southern Voters".. now showing how brainless they are over the grief stricken parents of gun violence who chose Hillary. And, jeeze.. I wonder why? Could it be his dismal voting record on sensible gun laws?

You'd think they could come up with better strategies but no.. not them.

 

Whimsey

(236 posts)
20. Mama Bear Jane needs to take a step back as a senior advisor to her husband's campaign
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:45 AM
Apr 2016

Jane is too protective of her husband to be his political advisor. I have seen her on numerous news interviews and I do not believe a former college president can be as politically disingenuous as she represents herself.
Here is another quote attributed to her in the wake of the New York primary:

"But top Sanders advisers said the senator had no plans to take the pressure off his Democratic rival as long as she keeps up her
critiques of the Vermont senator. 'We have received a lot of innuendo and dismissiveness and demeaning comments from the Clinton campaign - from the secretary herself and from her surrogates,' Jane Sanders, the candidate's wife and a close adviser, said in an interview. "He's not going to sit by and just not respond.'" Wall street Journal April 20, 2016

And this was after Hillary reached out to his campaign in her speech.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
37. "Jane is too protective of her husband to be his political advisor."
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders is being very badly served by his wife's blinkered, biased POV. She's doing him no favors.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
46. He's has no record to run on.. so team BS steals the goplaybook 101 that attacks & smears
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

her strengths and accuses her of what he's guilty of doing.

jane sanders has no class like all of his other surrogates are lacking.. cornel west, jonathan tasini, susan Sarandon, tim robbins, dr paul song, whatever.... I wouldn't even want to think of her as taking over Michelle Obama place.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
21. Wow
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:11 AM
Apr 2016

I find this so incredibly hypocritical of Jane Sanders. Remember that ad Bernie had with Erica Garner? Why is it ok for Bernie to do that, but not Hillary?

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
31. omg That just happened and I completely forgot that ad with Erica Garner
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:53 AM
Apr 2016

Good for Erica and all, making her choice and speaking out. More power to her!

It's laughable though to think of Hillary's spouse remarking on that, isn't it? Can you imagine?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
36. Can you just imagine Bill speaking out like Ms. Jane did on such an incendiary issue?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

Can you imagine him ever daring to say in an MSM interview:

We have received a lot of innuendo and dismissiveness and demeaning comments from the Sanders campaign - from the Senator himself and from his surrogates.


The MSM would be down on him and Hillary like a ton of biased bricks. The Clintons would become a laughing stock within minutes of any such pronouncement.

The mind boggles.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
50. very true...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

If Bill Clinton had commented on that the way Jane Sanders did, there'd be critical news stories for weeks! They'd probably ask for a public apology from him.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
22. Compassion for the families of victims of gun violence would have gone a long
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:22 AM
Apr 2016

Way, I am surprised at the lack of compassion, double down, denial of bad votes by Sanders.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
23. This back-woods Vermont woman is proving to be predictably ill-suited to
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:18 AM
Apr 2016

big-league national politics.

She encouraged BS's amateur and ill-advised Rome gambit.

She has repeatedly obfuscated and dissimulated about those invisible tax returns.

She has become her husband's whiner-in-chief, which diminishes both her and him.

And, she continues to insert her foot into her shit-eating grin on any media outlet available.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
30. The BS alert stalkers are out in force, and I had my fourth hide yesterday. Soooo,
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:51 AM
Apr 2016

walking the razor's edge with every post.

The "back-woods" comment is so appropriate, but I hesitated for some time...

I can't wait for the BSer BS to disappear from this board!



livetohike

(22,145 posts)
32. Be careful! I have only had one hide, but if I didn't type and
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

then delete numerous posts, I'm sure I would have been penalized a long time ago!

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
41. My own first reaction upon
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016

seeing this. The second was to feel the heartbreak of the SH victims' families at the thought that Jane would so callously misrepresent this meeting.

Perhaps I would be a better human being if I had had the second reaction first. But I am being honest.

I simply cannot imagine Jane Sanders filling the FLOTUS spot and doing us all proud - especially not after the magnificent Michelle Obama. Jane is too blinkered by Bernie and as tone-deaf as he. This incident is a prime example of that.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)
28. This woman is devoid of compassion. I was turned off by her the first time
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:49 AM
Apr 2016

I heard her speak. Hope Hillary's team ignores this. She doesn't deserve the attention. Grateful the Sanders family will never be in the White House.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
29. Speaking of entitlement
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:51 AM
Apr 2016

This reeks of, "how dare you take the high ground, it's ours!" The moralizing left hates to have their purity cred impugned.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
33. Bernie & Jane would love everyone to stop talking about stopping gun violence!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

Sorry Jane, the only person those families can turn to for help in promoting gun control on a national level during this campaign is Hillary.

They already know they can't trust your husband to take on the NRA. His votes are on record.

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. Sanders, both of them, need to do their homework regarding Clinton, the Sandy Hook shootiings....
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

....and the victims' families support for Clinton and Connecticut legislators.

She's just like her husband, throwing out the same tired old talking points without even looking into whether they're correct or not.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
43. Jane needs to GET A GRIP
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:08 AM
Apr 2016

and shut her mouth. AFTER all the bullshit that campaign has been pulling, this is just sickening, and TONE DEAF. What the hell? ONLY BERNIE can have an opinion or be right, right?

But, that's okay. 2.5+million votes ahead, 250+ pledged delegates ahead, so obviously HILLARY is doing something right!

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
47. Hillary Clinton is being an advocate for families of gun violence victims
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

Something the Sanders' should feel ashamed of--their lack of compassion and advocacy.
Jane Sanders to have the nerve to insist this is something more shallow for Hillary Clinton is disgusting and desperate. What an awful person.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
52. Of course, Jane. Yes, they've been through so much already. We should just let them be and ...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

... pretend it never happened. Ignore it and it will go away. Nobody wants to hear about other people's problems. Grief is a private matter.



Good god! What is wrong with that woman??

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
54. Politicizing to you Jane
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

Makes it sound bad. Because they 're defending where they come up short in the issue!

What was that WHOLE VATICAN TRIP about????

 

Whimsey

(236 posts)
55. Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia professor
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

was responsible for approaching the Vatican for including Bernie in this already scheduled event. He has stated so. Bernie then made it out as if the Pope invited him. That is why there was so much confusion surrounding how it came about. Prof Sachs has a close relationship with the Vatican and they honored his wishes. Don't tell me it wasn't political on Sach's part as he knew this event coincided with the NY primary. He probably thought it would give Bernie a boost. He thought wrong.

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