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Bluerome

(129 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:13 PM Apr 2016

A little perspective on Bernie's "she must earn my support" stance

This is very normal, and no cause for alarm. In fact Hillary said something very similar 8 years ago.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24953561/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-refuses-concede-nomination/

And the earth didn't explode did it?

The media likes to drum up controversy and people get so sucked into the drama that they forget that these things are normal.

Looking back at history, and focusing on data will help alleviate a lot of inner turmoil. Take a breath

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A little perspective on Bernie's "she must earn my support" stance (Original Post) Bluerome Apr 2016 OP
Right. It's a little bit of red meat for the Bernie faithful griffi94 Apr 2016 #1
Is that true? I hadn't heard that one lol Bluerome Apr 2016 #3
I saw it another of the threads griffi94 Apr 2016 #8
After Tuesday any real negativity will Bluerome Apr 2016 #10
Yes it will griffi94 Apr 2016 #15
I liked Bernie a lot, and still do, but Bluerome Apr 2016 #19
He started out great griffi94 Apr 2016 #22
Ditto on that Bluerome Apr 2016 #24
Well, one difference between then and now was that Hillary stopbush Apr 2016 #2
I agree with a lot of what you say there Bluerome Apr 2016 #6
Judging by Clinton's outreach in her speeches this week, she's showing respect. displacedtexan Apr 2016 #4
She did hit him a little, and I think that's why he went negative again Bluerome Apr 2016 #9
She hit him with his inability to explain... Blanks Apr 2016 #28
She hit him on the gun issue again Bluerome Apr 2016 #29
It's step one. It is an admission that he will support her and that he knows he's lost. Squinch Apr 2016 #5
I agree, it sounds like a concession Bluerome Apr 2016 #7
Now she offers something to him so he can save face and his followers can tell themselves Squinch Apr 2016 #11
He does seem to have a temper, but hopefully Bluerome Apr 2016 #14
I am prepared for the worst. But that is a very profound statement you made! Squinch Apr 2016 #25
The line is something I've heard before, and Bluerome Apr 2016 #26
I do too. And it has been true with me as well. Squinch Apr 2016 #27
Only NY had me worried, and only because of Michigan. With that past, I'm ignoring anything about IamMab Apr 2016 #12
Spot on Bluerome Apr 2016 #16
I think back to 2004 when Kerry "earned" the support of many Deaniacs... Kaleva Apr 2016 #13
And Bush was a moderate, trump is polarizing Bluerome Apr 2016 #20
Very measured analysis. Thanks. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #17
Any time! Bluerome Apr 2016 #21
I don't know. athena Apr 2016 #18
The "unqualified" speech was probably his undoing Bluerome Apr 2016 #23

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
1. Right. It's a little bit of red meat for the Bernie faithful
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

to help keep moral up.

He's going to pivot.

He's already toning it down. His latest outrage was that Hillary supports a tax on sodas
and that hurts the 99%

Far cry from the fire breathing rhetoric that she's unqualified for the office.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
3. Is that true? I hadn't heard that one lol
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

Soda is cheaper than ever right now, I would be willing to pay 5 extra cents or whatever if the end result is worthy

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
8. I saw it another of the threads
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

as an example of how he was still attacking lol

It will really tone down after Tuesday.
He knows it's over and if he keeps up the scorched earth rhetoric
he may screw himself of senate committee assignments.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
15. Yes it will
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:32 PM
Apr 2016

It will leave him looking like and angry selfish
tantrum thrower.

Who would rather wreck it than compromise or not get his way.

If that happens his numbers will really tank because I don't believe the majority
of his supporters are the Bernie or Bust crowd.

Rational reasonable people will leave and all that will be left is the zealots.

You know I just don't thing unreasoning anger is a good basis for a political movement.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
19. I liked Bernie a lot, and still do, but
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:36 PM
Apr 2016

I think he made a mistake going scorched earth in NY. Hope and positivity was his real strength. The only way it would have worked would have been to match every negative statement with 5 minutes of explanation of how he was going to make his agenda happen. He needed to explain more and repeat the same lines less

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
22. He started out great
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:42 PM
Apr 2016

I like Bernie as well and was glad was in the race.

I remember early on he told a reporter he wasn't going to talk about Hillary
he wanted to talk about his issues.

I'm sure I'll like him again when he goes back to doing that.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
2. Well, one difference between then and now was that Hillary
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:47 PM - Edit history (1)

was a Democrat who amassed 18-million votes by June (she actually won the popular vote due to the half-primary that was held in MI that Obama and others didn't run in).

DINO Sanders is going to be nowhere near that kind of number when this gets wrapped up in June. And the fact that such a big % of his support comes from non-Ds mitigates against him having the same claim to legitimacy as did Hillary in 2008.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
6. I agree with a lot of what you say there
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:22 PM
Apr 2016

It was even more frustrating because Hillary really did have a real argument for staying in

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
4. Judging by Clinton's outreach in her speeches this week, she's showing respect.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

I pity those who believe the Clintons don't respect them. Hell, they could buy an island and tell the country to take a flying leap, but they continue to fight against the wingnuts.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
9. She did hit him a little, and I think that's why he went negative again
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary will be fine, it's almost over

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
28. She hit him with his inability to explain...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:00 PM
Apr 2016

What he'd do to reign in the banks.

One really shouldn't spend so much time speaking in vague terms about what they'd do (on the campaign trail) when they don't really have an actual plan that can be explained in an interview.

I think that hurt him pretty bad.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
29. She hit him on the gun issue again
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

It was either today or yesterday. I get why she did it- she still needs to put this away next Tuesday, but I also get why it angered Bernie. The fighting can't end soon enough

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
11. Now she offers something to him so he can save face and his followers can tell themselves
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

that he has wrung concessions from her.

Then he feathers his Senatorial nest.

I don't see him being as good a sport as Clinton was though. I will put it in writing right now that I think any support he gives her will be tepid, he won't campaign for her, and he will make statements during the General "by mistake" that hurt her. Otherwise I bet he goes back to Vermont and we hear little from him going forward.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
14. He does seem to have a temper, but hopefully
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

he can see reason again as he did for most of the campaign. Losing is painful, so I give him some leeway. We learn more about ourselves in defeat than in victory. We will see what Bernie is really made of now.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
26. The line is something I've heard before, and
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

I think it's true. It has been true with me. Though I don't think I want anymore defeats!

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
12. Only NY had me worried, and only because of Michigan. With that past, I'm ignoring anything about
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders, because his campaign is over already, whether he's still running or not.

I lived through 2008's primary on the losing side, so I know what it's like. It's just too soon to expect the supporters to come around, especially with all the Revolution Media employees hidden among them. I read an article once about ending a campaign, and how for someone who lost, it's almost like the death of a person close to you. We joke, but there really are stages of grief after a dedicated campaign that is unsuccessful.

Just let them work through it, even the anger. Our candidate will become our nominee, so we've got nothing to fret about.

"Win with grace, lose without excuse."

Bluerome

(129 posts)
16. Spot on
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:32 PM
Apr 2016

You've got to let people be disappointed and go through the stages. When the RNC convention is over, we'll know who the real enemy is

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
13. I think back to 2004 when Kerry "earned" the support of many Deaniacs...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

by being the nominee and a far, far better alternative to Bush.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
20. And Bush was a moderate, trump is polarizing
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

So there, hopefully, won't be a repeat of that election

athena

(4,187 posts)
18. I don't know.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:35 PM
Apr 2016

At this point, everything he says sounds deeply sexist to me.

If he didn't want to sound sexist, he should have behaved respectfully from the start (like not shaking his head, huffing and puffing, and waving his hands the entire time she spoke in debates) and refrained from making sexist attacks (like the "unqualified" argument) against her.

Bluerome

(129 posts)
23. The "unqualified" speech was probably his undoing
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:42 PM
Apr 2016

It ran contrary to his entire campaign up to that point. It was a 180 at a crucial moment and I think it confused people.

Emotions are high, but all will be fine

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