Complete with animation.

Your sig made me LOL IRL, so I hope I see it regularly.

That was in response to HER accusing me of smearing her reputation, which I was not doing. Read the whole thread in context. I was commenting about Fox News. That's such BS and they know it.

I put "asterisks" on *your* to emphasize that the reputation I was smearing was that of Fox News and wondering why she would post from there, but whatever. The inmates are running the asylum. I don't care if they ban me. I have no desire to commiserate with people who use the flaws in this application to continuously silence all opposition and the admins just keep sticking mini bandaids on it.

I added in precious because her assertion was ridiculous on its face. She was the one being rude in trying to deflect and bully me into silence.

for saying AS A JOKE, Sanders must have jumped the pope outside the bathroom.
The one who turned it in said enough was enough.
Skin thinner than Trump around here?

They're abusing the jury system and the jury system is broken.

And they are not going to go away.

I have been hidden for using BS.

I asked this on the "Ask the Administrators" forum.

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You can pretty much know that any 4-3 Jury decision is probably going to be driven not by the tone of the post but rather by the partisan nature of the jurors.

So I thought of a suggestion that might work. Could you set it up so that only 5 to 2 votes get hidden? I find that nearly all of the 4 to 3 votes are bogus. Sure, some of the 5 to 2 votes are bogus also due to the fact that this site is probably about 80% Sanders supporters, but at least it would eliminate some of the bogus hides.

It's a suggestion, at least until you can overhaul the jury system.

Thank you.
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I say keep the status quo unless they reach 5 to 2. Anything else is just disgustingly partisan.

Between bogus hides and targeting people until they are banned, we are out numbered.

I thought 5 hides didn't matter anymore.

comments, saying you won't support the Democratic nominee, trying to enlist people into a 3rd party, in other words not being a Democrat might.
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... but at least we wouldn't be sidelined out of conversation every few days.

Alas, almost all of them end up voting against anything positive about Clinton or the Dem party.

One is Bernie fans can say just about anything they want and Hillary fans have to watch our words carefully. I am sorry but that is the way it seems to me.

I got 2 hides and a lock for posting the same thing that Bernie supporters did. In my hides I just changed the name Clinton to Sanders. In the Sanders group those posts were allowed to stay, in HRC group, they got a hide.

In HRC group I got a lock with 5 minutes of posting an exact OP that I saw in the Sanders group. In the sanders group it was allowed to stay up for over 24 hours. The only reason a host finally locked it. I appealed my lock, using their post as an example. Within 10 minutes of that, it was finally locked.

Heck I even got banned from the Sanders group for posting this..."no"

and they have the audacity to whine about the HRC group's censorship.

But people will exploit what they can exploit so I don't think the fault lies primarily with the Sanders people.

they could have kept the outrageous vitriol down. They chose not only to let it stand, but to engage in it.

I alerted on a Sanders room post where they called Hillary a vile sexist name


this is the reply I got from a host:

"Don't waste our time.

email blocked ...enjoy"

Somehow they blocked it from going to a jury.
A host of a group associated with the Sanders group sent me this, when called out on the name calling

"Fuck off"

I alerted on both emails and nothing was done.

I must have missed that. I definitely wouldn't liked that response.

I may end up finding some place else to talk politics. These people are gonna work my last nerve and I may just sit out the election entirely just to spite these people if their candidate wins.

They should be glad I'm posting here, where my influence is equal to anyone else's. On my home turf, i just shut up and sing, so to speak, since I don't believe my fans stick around for my political opinions. But that could change on a dime.

these were in the Sanders Group. A Sanders' host sent me one.
The other hosts another forum that is closely aligned with Sanders group.

IOW these are hosts of forums sending this shit and they are allowed to. I would think that if a host sent something like that to another member, IDK, they would no longer be allowed to host a forum?

I wouldn't even bother posting in there. If debate is, as I said previously, all about the audience, reaching their audience is not going to change anymore minds than the individual I might debate there. It's an exercise in futility. Then again, so is GDP at this point.

I don't care about changing their minds, but I though calling a dem candidate sexist slurs were uncalled for.

I've seen so much sexism on this site against Hillary that I just can't even try. It's honorable that you're doing it but at this point it's like holding up a cup in a rain storm and thinking that the rain will stop once the cup is full. Ain't gonna happen. This site will remain this way until there is an effective jury system with admins behind it, or, better yet, just admins.

There will be a flight of severely disappointed Bernie fans and RW trolls. It may come as soon as tomorrow night. Hang in there, the admins will get it squared away.

Until then, I hope they notice the Exorcist reference in my new signature pic. LOL

Nearly every post negative about Bernie gets hidden and nearly every negative post about Hillary is leaven it alone.

The ratio of Bernie to Hillary supporters on this board is 6-to-1.

Your jury results were 4-3.

We've come to expect that questionable alerts typically get 6-to-1 votes (sometimes 7-0).

The fact that YOUR results were BETTER than either of these two scores means that YOU WON.

#BernieMath

egregiously breaking the TOS.

Sorry about the stupid hide, nola

It's very easy to avoid having posts hidden.

Never lose your cool.

Avoid debates with people whose mind is already made up.

Always remember this is a discussion forum an nothing more then that.

Be respectful to all you are replying to, regardless of their position.

Bernie supporters are throughout GDP calling Hillary supporters stupid, deluded, unethical, unprincipled, every imaginable vulgar epithet and nearly all of it stands and little is reporters. I put a word in asterisks to emphasize that I'm Not talking her reputation, because she deflected my initial point by saying that using Fox as a source cheapened us was somehow impugning her personally for posting it and this was simply not what I had ever said. Then, after insulting me up one side and down the other, I posted the following, which was not vulgar. The use of the word "precious" might have been snarky, but was certainly nowhere near as rude as what it was responding to.

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I am not trying to smear *your* precious reputation
I am trying to point out that posting links to Rupert Murdoch's Titillating Cavalcade of Tabloid Trash™ lowers the bar on this website. If you want to deflect from that by making this about your personal reputation, you are free to do so, but I am confident that even the most ardent Bernie supporter knows that's not the point I'm making, even if they won't admit it. I'm sure the right wingers who surf this site are cackling that we're now legitimizing their pseudo-journalistic temple of spin.
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As a Web developer for over 22 years who was also educated in politics at one of the most prestigious political universities on the planet, and as someone who has hosted and administrated both message boards and Facebook groups, I can say without a reasonable doubt that the jury system here is utterly broken and serves only the whims of those in the majority candidate, in this case, those who support Sanders.

Using your line of reasoning, the countless vulgar, hateful, and abusive things that Sanders supporters post hourly should also be getting hid, but few of them are even alerted, and when they are, they're ignored.

I have proposed to the admins that it should take a 5 to 2 jury decision to hide, since the jury system is almost exclusively used to silence any strong point that Hillary supporters make and a 5 to 2 balance is the closest to the breakdown of Bernie supporters vs. Hillary supporters. Granted, that would make it even harder for Hillary supporters to alert anything Bernie people post but at least we wouldn't be getting hidden all the time.

As for this being a discussion forum and "nothing more," whether an interaction is digital or tangible is irrelevant to me. Whether this type of tactic is used in person or online it is equally obnoxious.

I was always going to pull the lever for Bernie if he was the nomination up until this point. His supporters have made me question whether I should just stay home. That's how angry I am about it.

when they take the low road, we take the high road. They look like fools and you look dignified. JMHO

Again, I made it clear I was not talking about her reputation or integrity but the wisdom of posting Fox news.I repeat, I was not talking about her reputation or integrity but the wisdom of posting Fox news. As such, I was not taking the low road at all.

Secondly, as I always say, the high road is still a road, so if some truly despotic or unworthy individual is on it, I might run 'em over.

If it's the audience you want to sway, they may, if they are a member, look at your hidden post and wonder why anyone would alert on it and why a jury would vote to hide. Your behavouir in responding to the hide may sway some here too.

... is to suggest that the admins fix this broken jury system. I don't think justified passion or criticism lacks dignity.

Your hidden post, even if it hadn't been alerted on, probably didn't change anyone's mind.

Debating with anyone, whether they be true believers or paid rhetoricians, is not about the opponent. It's about the audience. And only Bernie's ideas are allowed to stay on this site with any consistency. If anyone dares question how abusive or over the top someone is being about Hillary, including sites recently posted that contained conspiracy theories about Vince Foster and Ron Brown and numerous anti-abortion and anti-gay statements, take an act of God to take down. And without a single admin able to be here day to day , there is nary a God to be found here most of the time.

Does anyone actually review them?

a jury comment alerted on. Completely benign comment, but I juried a Snders vs Hillary post and agreed with the Hillary poster.

I admit I am a Hillary supporter, but I have voted to hide some Hillary supporters posts. I have also voted to hide Sanders supporters posts.

What have I learned.. never to post a fucking comment in the jury section again.

So yes, Sanders supporters are effectively shutting down debate.

They have run off most feminists, most AA group posters and now shutting down Hillary supporters.

Some DEMOCRATIC board, isn't it?

but I just have gotten to the point where I am fed up. I have only left a comment once on a jury and it was about as smart ass as I could make it.

But the problem isn't the Bernie people. We could have a majority of this board supporting a candidate from Mars whose only real policy is that we eat all kinds of candy bars and they'd still be able to use the jury system to silence all those of us without a sweet tooth because the jury system itself is irrevocably broken.

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Though I was hoping someone might get the reference. I have a feeling this may only have been showed on Saturday Morning Cartoons in the Northeast a thousand and one years ago. Then again, Saturday Morning Cartoons dates me bad enough. :-D

And I watched those Saturday morning cartoons faithfully.

At this point, it will only hasten the need to address the situation and fix the system.

And I honestly hope it will be fixed soon. Some of the jury's that I have served on have been ridiculous.

Total waste of time. They don't have time to manage this site. That much is clear. What I do not understand is why they cannot find some even-keeled participants to take on the role of admins.

Is that it becomes a court of public opinion. I'd rather trust my fate to a clerical court in Saudi Arabia than ever trust it to any court of public opinion.

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Someone has been calling me out in GDP for saying the jury system is unfair. He then said that "Many in that thread in the HRC group tried gently to tell you that whining about a hide is simply not helpful. Not to mention meta."

So, naturally I went back to this thread to see whether or not this alleged "meta" thread was hidden for being "meta," or if he was correct about the "many" who tried gently to tell me anything.

Now that I return, I see that one person gently (and politely) trying to say that and another person suggesting that my use of asterisks and the word "precious" might have been what got it a hide and I suppose that could be a gentle suggestion as well.

That's two people out of quite a few other people on this thread confirmation my assertions that jury system is unfairly balanced and used against Hillary supporters as a result of the heavy Bernie concentration on the site.

So no, cwydro, you were incorrect.