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LiberalFighter

(50,980 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:54 PM Apr 2016

What is The Establishment?

By definition it may be a closed social group which selects its own members (as opposed to selection by merit or election) or specific entrenched elite structures, either in government or in specific institutions.


So in order for the Democratic Party to exist it needs to function as a closed group or as The Establishment. It is not intended to be open just to anyone, more specifically not to Republicans. If Sanders has a problem with The Establishment then he should had joined a party that didn't have rules and bylaws or created his own party. But then if he created his own party it would become "The Establishment".

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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. The Establishment is a big, scary word used as a scapegoat that people can blame for anything they
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:07 PM
Apr 2016

can be told is wrong.

As a career elected official, Sanders has been a member of the US Government for most of his adult life.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
6. Being "open to everyone" is how progressives got ran out of the GOP over the 20th century.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:38 PM
Apr 2016

Of course, some of that has to do with the liberalization of the Democratic Party over the same time and the limits of a two-party system, but still. If Republicans has been a little more "closed" then conservatives wouldn't have been able to turn the "Party of Lincoln" into such a racist organization.

The right of a political party to establish its own rules and processes is covered under "freedom of association" in the Constitution. If any outsider could come in and dictate changes, the party would lose the character on which it was founded and be twisted into something different. It would be no different than men trying to take over NOW, or Christian conservatives trying to take over a gay rights organization.

There is nothing stopping anyone from forming a political party and running it however they see fit. But it involves a lot of hard work, time, and there's no guarantee of success. But by trying to co-opt the Democratic Party, they instantly have a chance at stealing an existing brand and subverting it to their aims, regardless of how other Democrats might feel about that. Fortunately this time the gates held.

"Establishment" to such people is "Anyone who is not us." The way the Sanders campaign maligned every progressive group that didn't endorse him is evidence enough of that at work in this primary. People who can't be good allies will soon find themselves without any, and until these neo-hippie agitators learn how to build coalitions better than they do now, they're going to be outside and angry for many years to come.

GvilleDem

(41 posts)
8. Planned Patenthood establishment
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:51 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie lost my support right early when he called planned parenthood the establishment. It was clear very early in the race that the 'establishment' was nothing more then a dirty word he uses against anyone or anything that doesn't support him.
I keep from bashing him publically in order to be civil, but I honestly think Bernie is scum. Anyone on the left who attacks planned parenthood is scum, and unredeemable in my eyes.

JSup

(740 posts)
10. Synonyms
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:19 AM
Apr 2016

Establishment, The Powers That Be, Them, Flying Money Squid of Death, The Gummint, Banking-Military-Financial-Industrial Complex, Washington Uhleets....

I'm sure I missed some.

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