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LAS14

(13,783 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:42 PM Apr 2016

So what's a good one liner to respond...

... to people (I typed "idiots", but am trying to cultivate a habit of civility.... difficult in GDP). Anyway, to people who claim that Hillary can't be a good candidate "because she's richer than God." I'm just fine with the Clintons having reaped the rewards of being really famous people in this <senior moment... there's a good word here> celebrity crazed society. And I'm so impressed with the Clinton Foundation (sky high ratings from foundation raters), and with Hillary's willingness to put herself through the hell that is her campaign. I know it's because she cares, not for selfish reasons. I've watched her since Wellesley days. But all of this is definitely not a one liner.

Ideas?

tia
las

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So what's a good one liner to respond... (Original Post) LAS14 Apr 2016 OP
I guess FDR and JFK couldn't be good presidents either Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #1
A riff of that would be to say KitSileya Apr 2016 #20
"Why do you hate successful people?" or "Jealous much?" are my suggestions. IamMab Apr 2016 #2
Yeah.... LAS14 Apr 2016 #4
You have three choices Cary Apr 2016 #3
I've heard the phrase... LAS14 Apr 2016 #5
It's an abstract concept Cary Apr 2016 #6
I'm sure you are ok Cary Apr 2016 #7
Right. No offense taken at any point. Thanks for the response. LAS14 Apr 2016 #8
Good Cary Apr 2016 #10
I don't think co-dependent is the right word here. athena Apr 2016 #11
All the Clintons work hard and get paid for what they know, and what they facilitate. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #9
How about jehop61 Apr 2016 #12
That's good to. It's good to remind ourselves that... LAS14 Apr 2016 #13
Well, we don't appear to be a fully capitalist society SharonClark Apr 2016 #17
How about... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #14
Ha! I'd never thought about the unpaid labor of our first ladies. nt LAS14 Apr 2016 #15
No one ever does... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #16
It's always been a raw deal DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #18
She worked for this country for free for roughly 20 years, first in AR then as FLOTUS Lucinda Apr 2016 #19

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
20. A riff of that would be to say
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:00 AM
Apr 2016

'So you think it's better for a President to inherit money, like FDR and JFK, than to charge banks as much as you can for your hard work, like HRC'?

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
2. "Why do you hate successful people?" or "Jealous much?" are my suggestions.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

Anything that rightly points out the hateful envy behind their sentiments when it comes to the Clinton's income or net worth. Because that's all it is. It's a criticism leveled by people who have worked for NOTHING against two life-long public servants.

Or just Ignore them like they deserve.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
4. Yeah....
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

.... Maybe I could elaborate just a bit. "Why do you hate successful people? Don't we want them to work for the good of everyone?"

I'm going to go try that out in GDP.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
3. You have three choices
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

You can ignore them.

You can firmly and methodically engage them.

You can be codependent and let them abuse you.

I don't think there is any difference between ignoring them or engaging them. You can stick to facts or match their abuse. It doesn't matter because the result will be the same: you will be summarily dismissed and written off.

Whatever you do don't be codependent. That will do no one any good, least of all you.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
5. I've heard the phrase...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

... co-dependent all my life, but have never been sure of the meaning. Not even back in the day when everyone was writing books about it.

Anyway. I want to keep a Hillary presence in GDP. I don't want to cede it to the viciousness that pervades. So I think I'm OK.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
6. It's an abstract concept
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

Generally in my mind at least it is about enabling someone else's dysfunction. It is about getting sucked in to the point where you, yourself, suffer some dysfunction.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
10. Good
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

You're right codependency is a controversial term. I'm glad you understand it was meant generally.

athena

(4,187 posts)
11. I don't think co-dependent is the right word here.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

Co-dependent means you need someone to be dependent on you. Some people are dependent on others; others are co-dependent and need someone to be dependent on them. Co-dependents have low self-worth, so they need to be useful to someone else to feel worthy.

It's a serious problem. See:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201412/codependent-or-simply-dependent-what-s-the-big-difference

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
13. That's good to. It's good to remind ourselves that...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:27 PM
Apr 2016

... you don't have to be ashamed of capitalism. We're not socialists. You have to right its wrongs and capitalize on its strengths.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
17. Well, we don't appear to be a fully capitalist society
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:46 PM
Apr 2016

or we wouldn't have public roads, public parks, public hospitals, corporate welfare, etc.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
14. How about...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

Should we put a limit on what people can earn? Should the government limit what you can earn? Should salary limits be legislated? Does that strike you as freedom?

Or the old standby- She worked for eight years representing us all as First Lady - it's a position that required almost all of her time and attention and we didn't pay her a dime. Women's labor should not be free. And yet we still do not compensate our First Lady. I don't mind at all that the pendulum now swings in the other direction for her.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
16. No one ever does...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:33 PM
Apr 2016

It makes me so sad that a woman as capable as Michelle Obama hasn't been able to earn a salary for the past eight years. It's just so antiquated to my thinking....no wonder she can't wait to get out of politics. Perks notwithstanding it was kind of a raw deal for her -

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
18. It's always been a raw deal
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

thing is, you've not had many who took the position of FLOTUS and worked activism with it. If you look historically at our most recent ones, that would be DEM FLOTUS that have that penchant and are unwilling to be socialites only, overwhelmingly.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
19. She worked for this country for free for roughly 20 years, first in AR then as FLOTUS
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:04 AM
Apr 2016

and she has been a great public servant for her entire adult life. And whatever money she EARNED on the speaking circuit was legally earned.

And the money Bill has raised, in large part, has funded the activities of the Clinton Global Initiative and offshoot organizations.

If the Clintons were about money, they both would have cashed in, and be sitting on a beach somewhere, not doing everything they can to make the lives of others better.

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