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In the Democratic nomination process, entrance polls have shown that Hilary Clinton has been supported by the majority of registered Democratic Party voters while Bernie Sanders has done better among who self identify as independent. In fact, Hilary has won almost every caucuses and primary which was closed, where only registered Democrats were allow to vote. Sanders has done much better in caucuses and primaries which were open to all voters meaning that independents and Republicans could also vote. So that brought up a question in my mind who are these independents who are voting for Bernie Sanders.I used to think that all of the independents voters were moderates. I assumed they are people who did not want to be associated with either political party either because they are tired to the partisan gridlock in Washington and/or because they were unhappy with move of the Republican Party further to the right and the Democrats further to the left.
There are a lot of these so called independents out there. Gallup has done annual polling on the subject for years and currently 29% of Americans self identify as Democrats, 26% as Republicans, and 42% identify as independents. That leaves about 3% who I assume belong to third parties or never bother to vote.
I said so called independents because while they may not want to be identified as Democrats or Republicans 16% of those polled said they were independents who voted reliably for Democrats and another 16% were independents who voted reliably with the Republicans. So when we add in the 29% Democrats from above we come up with 45% who vote reliably for Democratic candidates. In the same manner we come with 26% + 16% = 42% of Americans who vote reliably Republican. That leaves only 10% of Americans who are truly independent, who might vote for a Democratic candidate in one election and a Republican in the next. I used to think that all of the independents were moderates. It looks like these 10% are only ones who are the true moderate independents in the middle.
Over the last few months have come to realize that there are a number of independents who are politically on the far left and have left the Democratic Party because it wasnt liberal enough for their tastes.
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Be a proud Democrat. I love Democrats, their values and their resolve to make the US a better place to live.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Purity test seem Libertarian to me . The Ron and Rand Paul fans did not disappear, Bernie Sanders the obvious choice.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)It's been an eye opener. I always thought that the more liberal one was, the more open and kinder a person would be to their fellow human beings. Wow, was I in for a rude awaking.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)was, the more open-minded they were as well, but, sadly, they have proven to be anything but.
I agree with your posting in every aspect. As a private organization, the Democratic Party should close all future primaries to Democrats ONLY, and per your proposed guidelines. They can allow open voting during the G.E., but only Democrats should be able to vote for the Democratic Party nominee in the Democratic Party primaries to run in the General Election.
It's amazing how many of these "Independents" don't know what the primary elections are for! They don't seem to understand that there is a difference between the primary and general elections. They wail about disenfranchisement, but when I point out to them that Republicans don't even have primary elections in two States - that Cruz has been able to "steal" from Trump - they're confounded!
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)And, I think many of her detractors are not.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)But I was too wishy-washy for them.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)....when our idealism runs into reality.
nini
(16,672 posts)I just realize you're not gonna get anything done unless you learn to compromise and pull the country slowly back to the left. The country didn't go this far to the right overnight and it's not going to go back to the left overnight either.
Ideals are one thing - reality is another.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I think of the far left as the zealots, the "true believers" who are idealists without the proper dose of pragmatism, who dream big without a proper dose of reality.
Basically most of us have the same progressive ideal.s Where we differ is how best to implement them and whether we let "perfect" become the enemy of "good enough for now".
Sorry, but by my definition, I don't count you among the zealots.
nini
(16,672 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)
I was aiming that more at the holier than thou purists. I am over them questioning my credentials.
creon
(1,183 posts)By definition, zealots are not liberal.
It is very difficult for a zealot to be practical. It is not impossible that a zealot would be practical; but, it is unlikely.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)If that isn't perfect description of some of Sanders' most "zealous" supporters, my judgement must not be as good as I think it is.
They are zealots.
Just walk away and leave them where you found them.
They have no means, and can be forgotten.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)It's usually only achieved through violent revolution, and it usually isn't the 1% who die. It's the children, those who are different, the elderly, people with physical and mental disabilities, non-neurotypical people, and so on. That's what happens when you disrupt the governmental processes in a country - and usually the abrupt change goes in the opposite direction of what you want. The French Revolution wanted to make everyone equal, but succeeded in first making an oppressive, purist age of terror, and then a dictatorship.
ut of course, we already know Bernie Sanders has no problems with violent revolution, and thinks the consequences are just ok - he had no problems with starving children in Cuba, or with violent censorship in Nicaragua, as long as it served the revolution.
creon
(1,183 posts)People who do not vote in primaries do not have to give their affiliation.
You do not have to give an affiliation if you do not vote in a primary.
That makes you an "independent".
There are a number of people who split their ticket and vote for people from different parties.
That is a "true independent".
To me, there are two kinds, as I described above.