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Walk away

(9,494 posts) Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:47 PM Apr 2016

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So, you think your favorite Democratic website is going to go back to normal?????

Think again. Here is some food for thought....

The Trouble With "Bernie-Style" Politics and the Grifting of the Internet Left

Markos Moulitsas knows which side his bread is buttered on.

In what at first glance appears to be an impassioned plea aimed at Bernie Sanders supporters to remain within the Democratic Party to 'improve' it, the proprietor of Daily Kos moved the goalposts of win and loss from the primary to the general election, claiming that Bernie Sanders has not yet lost and Hillary Clinton has not yet won, because she has not yet been declared President-Elect. But Markos' appeal is not really targeted to Sanders supporters; it is targeted to the Bernie or Bust crowd. And he's not really asking them to be involved in the Democratic party, he is begging them to continue to provide traffic for Daily Kos.

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http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/27/the-trouble-with-bernie-style-politics

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So, you think your favorite Democratic website is going to go back to normal????? (Original Post) Walk away Apr 2016 OP

This whole thing is really sad workinclasszero Apr 2016 #1

Web traffic = advertising dollars. savalez Apr 2016 #2

Interesting excerpts savalez Apr 2016 #3

So sad. Live by the internet trolls - die by the internet trolls SharonClark Apr 2016 #4

Kos used to be my first read- now maybe twice a week redstateblues Apr 2016 #5

It's worth pointing out, people who go to Kos to read BernieBro articles in disbelief view ad$ too. IamMab Apr 2016 #6

I use an ad blocker Treant Apr 2016 #10

Are you saying sarin Apr 2016 #12

Yeah... JSup Apr 2016 #15

Excellent article that pretty much nails it. stopbush Apr 2016 #7

Helps to explain why HAHA Goodman is kept around ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #8

This got my attention ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #9

Short term thinking texstad79 Apr 2016 #11

They need HRC supporters too GusBob Apr 2016 #13

Amazing and relevant article. blue neen Apr 2016 #14

In Ask the Administrators Skinner made clear that the race is on-going until somebody drops out... book_worm Apr 2016 #16

Skinner has a new OP. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #19

Skinner is an absentee landlord who doesn't care if his tenants set fire to the house. Bryan Apr 2016 #20

K&R! fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #17

thank you for this, Walk away! Cha Apr 2016 #18

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

1. This whole thing is really sad

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:52 PM

Apr 2016

I think these democratic/progressive sites and talking heads on various shows see the bank being made by the teabag grifters on the right and want their own piece of the action.

Sanders may have brought to life the teabag left.

savalez

(3,517 posts)

2. Web traffic = advertising dollars.

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:54 PM

Apr 2016

He knows that his Democratic base has left his website and he figures keeping the loons is easier than getting his old base back.

savalez

(3,517 posts)

3. Interesting excerpts

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:01 PM

Apr 2016

"Bernie or Bust" voters come in two strides: ones who are Republican moles planted in a failed attempt to create chaos in the Democratic primary, and others who are only interested in making a high-profile symbolic statement and have no intention of actually getting their hands dirty in the actual hard work of political organizing.

A more "democratic style" politics? Nearly all of Bernie Sanders' big wins in the Democratic primary have been in states that do not even cast ballots to allocate their delegates, instead choosing caucuses, a superbly undemocratic forum that tends to shut out working people, the poor, people of color, immigrants, and anyone who believes democracy requires a secret ballot.

This is the problem with the "Bernie-style" politics that numerous political observers find to be the present day's shiniest object. With huge rallies and bird-landings, what on the surface appears to be a popular movement turns out to be little more than personality cult once that shiny surface is easily dug out. It's why Hillary Clinton now leads Bernie Sanders by more than 3 million actual votes, and Bernie Sanders is trailing Donald Trump by a million actual votes.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)

4. So sad. Live by the internet trolls - die by the internet trolls

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:04 PM

Apr 2016

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)

5. Kos used to be my first read- now maybe twice a week

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:08 PM

Apr 2016

IamMab

(1,359 posts)

6. It's worth pointing out, people who go to Kos to read BernieBro articles in disbelief view ad$ too.

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:21 PM

Apr 2016

In a way, we're all guilty of feeding those beasts.

Treant

(1,968 posts)

10. I use an ad blocker

Reply to IamMab (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:38 PM

Apr 2016

over there so he's not currently getting one red cent from me.

Nor blue cents.

sarin

(137 posts)

12. Are you saying

Reply to Treant (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:49 PM

Apr 2016

He's senseless?

JSup

(740 posts)

15. Yeah...

Reply to sarin (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:17 PM

Apr 2016

...I've already re-enabled my adblock for HuffP, Salon and Kos. I'm not helping them get paid for their oh-so-transparent propaganda.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)

7. Excellent article that pretty much nails it.

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:25 PM

Apr 2016

The bottom line is that the left-wing partisans like Markos are engaging in behavior that would embarrass the most-ardent big corporation capitalists. It's all about the money. Ideology has nothing to do with it.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

8. Helps to explain why HAHA Goodman is kept around ...

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:33 PM

Apr 2016

... not for journalistic integrity, just for the clicks. Clicks profit more than integrity (well, they certainly appear to be more profitable for Huffpo in any case.)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

9. This got my attention ...

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:37 PM

Apr 2016

Coincidentally, this fits just fine with the "progressive" grifter-sphere, positioning themselves as the victims of the Democratic establishment, an excuse they have often used, for example, to beat up on President Obama in ways often worse than the Right wing.

... and this:

But in order to be effective at such grifting, Markos needs the "Bernie or Bust" crowd to not just be around, but to be around with a somewhat credible claim of being "Democrats."

... and this too:

But Bernie or Bust voters aren't merely indifferent to down-ballot Democrats. They are hostile to them. These extremists have actively protested and attacked Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party's efforts to build a war-chest for Congressional candidates.

... but this made me laugh:

For all their blackmail, however, they are not nearly a potent enough force to be able to deny Hillary Clinton a win in November. They are, however, a well-greased engine that control a lot of page-views, something essential to the relevancy of the "netroots." That's the reason Markos Moulitsas and other are pretending to be in awe of their magnificent power, while begging on bent knees for them to please, please not leave.

texstad79

(115 posts)

11. Short term thinking

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:58 PM

Apr 2016

Its short term thinking at best. No matter how much you accommodate the radicals, there will always be another site to your left to take away your traffic. Its a online race to the bottom that makes no impact on real world politics.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)

13. They need HRC supporters too

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:27 PM

Apr 2016

As punching bags

Fucking pimps

blue neen

(12,321 posts)

14. Amazing and relevant article.

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:54 PM

Apr 2016

Thank you.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)

16. In Ask the Administrators Skinner made clear that the race is on-going until somebody drops out...

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:11 PM

Apr 2016

Skinner (61,518 posts)

1. In 2008 the Democratic primary lasted until the last state voted --

-- so the primary on DU lasted that long.

At this time it appears that we still have two candidates who are still in the race, and are still participating in elections in a number of states. Therefore it is still primary election season on DU.

At this point, the plan is for primary season to continue on DU until a candidate drops out or the voting is over -- whichever happens first.

No matter which candidate we support, we can all help ease the coming transition to general election season by choosing not to post uncivil comments against any Democratic candidates or the supporters. I see lots of people here who condemn attacks by the "other side" while continuing to justify attacks by people on their own side. This seems like a sure-fire way to ensure that both sides will continue with their awful behavior.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)

19. Skinner has a new OP.

Reply to book_worm (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:52 AM

Apr 2016

Sooner or later, he is going to get as pissed off as the rest of us!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1860487

Bryan

(1,837 posts)

20. Skinner is an absentee landlord who doesn't care if his tenants set fire to the house.

Reply to yallerdawg (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:26 AM

Apr 2016

n/t

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)

17. K&R!

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:23 PM

Apr 2016

Cha

(297,237 posts)

18. thank you for this, Walk away!

Reply to Walk away (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:44 AM

Apr 2016

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