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Nate Silver's latest prediction for Indiana (83 delegates) (Original Post) kstewart33 Apr 2016 OP
Wow! More "no-mentum" on display for Sanders!! stopbush Apr 2016 #1
First is was Joe-mentum, now it's Slow-mentum. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #2
Republicans would call this displacedtexan Apr 2016 #28
It looks like has campaign has collapsed. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #3
I agree workinclasszero Apr 2016 #7
It could be finally happening! pandr32 Apr 2016 #14
Silver was a huge disappointment this cycle. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #4
He says in his 538 podcasts that primaries are hard to predict Her Sister Apr 2016 #6
Geez. Hard projections are what economists/statisticians are supposed to do. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #9
Didn't he correctly call every Dem primary on Tuesday? kstewart33 Apr 2016 #11
That's not the important part! It's the percentages that drive the primaries on the Dem side. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #12
But if you scroll down the same page as the likelihood prediction, you see distributions of spooky3 Apr 2016 #15
Ok. But those have been horribly inaccurate. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #16
How? He only got MI wrong and that was only Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #21
I'm not sure Silver, who doesn't poll states himself, can do what you are asking. SaschaHM May 2016 #37
Ah, but he does weight his polls according to their method and track record. Buzz Clik May 2016 #38
Honestly, I kept thinking IN might be a pickup for BS. Obviously, Nate disagrees. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #5
I thought so, too. okasha Apr 2016 #13
Let's hope that's the case. But Jane says that BS is about to explode with momentum. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #18
You can't have the fans leaving in the seventh inning. Koinos Apr 2016 #20
Again, BSers have earned that moniker for a Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #22
I'm not sure Sanders organized well before the deadline to register this month. SaschaHM Apr 2016 #23
I hope he's right! Cha Apr 2016 #34
Good to hear ... BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #8
We will be seeing the results soon. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #10
Excellent! sheshe2 Apr 2016 #17
Hurray for Hillary! (Of course Trump will say it's just that "woman card" skylucy Apr 2016 #19
Must be one of then Confederate states Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #24
and this with no expenses too robbedvoter Apr 2016 #25
with 74 years of advance planning the outcome should not be in doubt! nt msongs Apr 2016 #26
California; probability of Hillary to win = 88% Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #27
Indiana only has 83 pledged delegates that will be decided Tuesday. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #29
Indiana should be roughly a 45 - 38 split for Clinton -- Net 7 delegates. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #30
awesome :-) Maru Kitteh May 2016 #39
So Indiana is a closed Primary? Cha Apr 2016 #31
nope, it's open DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #32
Ah! thank you, DG! Cha Apr 2016 #33
But the college vote in Bloomington and West Lafayette is going to put him over the top bluestateguy Apr 2016 #35
Especially since it is exam week for colleges in Indiana. LiberalFighter May 2016 #41
But they're into the Final Exams now. George II May 2016 #42
Now up to 91% !!! Maru Kitteh May 2016 #36
The Polls Plus forecast is 91/9 with Clinton ahead by 11% George II May 2016 #40
Good to hear. I read he was catching up. SharonClark May 2016 #43
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
4. Silver was a huge disappointment this cycle.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

In the Dem primaries, where allocation of delegates is proportional to votes received, simply putting a percentage on the odds of "winning the state" is totally worthless. And doesn't always get that right!

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
6. He says in his 538 podcasts that primaries are hard to predict
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

The General is easier for him to look and understand and predict with better certainty.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
9. Geez. Hard projections are what economists/statisticians are supposed to do.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not really bashing Silver, just observing: There are about 10 posters at DU who took the time to sift through the polls leading up to a primary and try to nail down the % votes captured by HRC and BS. About half got pretty good. Nate's the "smartest guy in the room!" Buck up, Silver.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
11. Didn't he correctly call every Dem primary on Tuesday?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

It seems that at least on the Dem side, he's done well. Some misses earlier but that was in open primaries.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
12. That's not the important part! It's the percentages that drive the primaries on the Dem side.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

For the GOP, that approach is awesome.

spooky3

(34,452 posts)
15. But if you scroll down the same page as the likelihood prediction, you see distributions of
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

expected votes, under "projected results."

For example, for Indiana,

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/indiana-democratic/

the mean for HRC is 54.5% and the mean for BS is 42.9%.

I think 538 has not missed by much (except for Michigan) in most of these this year.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
16. Ok. But those have been horribly inaccurate.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

He simply takes the polls, gets a mean, generates the confidence interval, and that's it.

I don't hate him, and I used his site a lot in the first third of the primaries. Like everyone, he totally whiffed on Michigan. But, 538 never figured it out in open primaries while a few pollsters did.

We could go back and look at his projections I suppose, but .... nah. I'd rather concede the point than work that hard.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
21. How? He only got MI wrong and that was only
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

due to errors in polling which he relies on for his analysis.

That's not a 'HUGE' disappointment!

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
37. I'm not sure Silver, who doesn't poll states himself, can do what you are asking.
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

Delegates are awarded in most if not all Democratic cases by statewide vote and congressional district vote. Outside of pull numbers out of a hat, there really isn't much that he can do to determine how the delegates will swing on the congressional level.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
38. Ah, but he does weight his polls according to their method and track record.
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:03 PM
May 2016

When I get some free time, I need to go back and pull up his projected %ages for Sanders and HRC and see how he did.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
13. I thought so, too.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

But eventually it becomes obvious who's winning and who's losing, and voters become less inclined to support a candidate who cannot win.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
20. You can't have the fans leaving in the seventh inning.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

Somebody has to keep buying beer and hot dogs.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
23. I'm not sure Sanders organized well before the deadline to register this month.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

He's always a johnny come lately.

In 2008, AAs made up 14% of the electorate, which should help Hillary if she manages to split white voters with Sanders. Voters over 40 made up 71% of the electorate.

I think it could set up well for her a la Missouri.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
29. Indiana only has 83 pledged delegates that will be decided Tuesday.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:38 PM
Apr 2016

The other 9 are automatic delegates of which 7 have already committed to Hillary Clinton.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
30. Indiana should be roughly a 45 - 38 split for Clinton -- Net 7 delegates.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:48 PM
Apr 2016
Based on current data it should result in delegates as follows:

Clinton: 1,709
Sanders: 1,409
Spread: 300

Remaining Delegates: 933

Based on supposed Bernie Math that states the nominee must have the majority of combined pledged and unpledged delegates using just pledged delegates the following:

Needed pledged delegates:
Clinton: 674
Sanders: 974

Needed percent of pledged delegates:
Clinton: 72.2%
Sanders: 104.4%

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
32. nope, it's open
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:23 AM
Apr 2016

BUT, you have to have been registered to vote by April 4 (30 days before the primary)

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