Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumSorry, Bernie, but you can’t “contest” the Democratic Convention. Those aren’t the rules.
Senator Sanders has made it abundantly clear that he will not suspend his campaign prior the convention. If it were simply a matter that he truly believed that all voters should have the opportunity to vote for the candidate they prefer and not be denied that chance simply because their primary comes later in the process, that would be one thing. However, Sanders plans to use these last few primaries to boost his argument that he should get the nomination, regardless of the will of the voters.
In a news conference today, Senator Bernie Sanders addressed the fact that he has essentially lost the democratic nomination to Hillary Clinton, by double-talking his way around a plan to flat out subvert the will of the democratic electorate and steal the nomination at the convention. This is simply unprecedented for a candidate to lose by over three-million votes and insist he should be declared the winner.
First things first; Sanders seems to think that because Hillary Clinton will not have the magic number in pledged delegates alone, that this makes the July DNC contested. This shows an amazing lack of knowledge of the process. The correct term Sanders should be using is brokered, however terminology aside, it still will not apply to the convention. A convention becomes brokered only if a candidate fails to secure a majority of overall delegates after the first ballot, this includes ALL delegates including the super delegates. Sanders appears to be operating under the misguided idea that the first ballot is pledged delegates only and that therefore Secretary Clinton will not have the required majority. However, as the first ballot will include all delegates, Secretary Clinton will have a majority and there will be nothing to contest or broker.
While Senator Sanders continues to talk about flipping the super delegates to his side, this is extremely unlikely. His argument is that if he carried a state by a significant margin then those super delegates should support him. However, when examining the super delegate breakdown, even if he were to flip the delegates from the states he has carried by large margins prior to the first ballot, he would come nowhere near the majority he would need because those states by and large were much smaller states, with an insignificant number of super delegates. The states that Secretary Clinton carried by extremely large margins have much higher super delegate counts. In fact, Sanders would end up with only about 200 of the 700 super delegates, leaving Hillary with roughly what she has now and the clear majority in both pledged and super delegates. He also seems to think that even if he loses a state, the delegates should still support him for coming close, saying that if he does well in California (even if he loses), that should be enough for them to flip.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/sorry-bernie-but-you-cant-contest-the-democratic-convention-those-arent-the-rules/24652/
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Again like the article says: Sorry, those aren't the rules!
plus
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/2/1522281/-No-Bernie-the-superdelegates-won-t-bail-you-out-because-you-didn-t-get-more-votes
HRC GOT THIS!
skylucy
(3,739 posts)am perplexed by his arguments. I am just a long time Democrat and political junkie, but I'm shaking my head at the hypocrisy of Sanders and his surrogates regarding the primary process. Do you think that Sanders is actually that ignorant of the Democratic primary process/convention rules/delegates? Or perhaps he knows that his arguments are bogus and is underestimating our intelligence and the level of knowledge rank-and-file Dems have about this?
savalez
(3,517 posts)From Josh Marshall of TPM
Let's set out explicitly what this means: there is simply no way that Sanders can catch up with Sen. Clinton in either delegates or the popular vote. He may prevent her from getting to 50%+ of the pledged delegates, though I'm skeptical of that. But she will come to the convention as the clear winner in delegates and the popular vote. That means - and the Sanders campaign is saying this openly - that their plan is to get Super Delegates to overrule the results of the primary selection process and make him the nominee.
First of all, there's simply no way that is going to happen. This is why the whole super delegate question has been largely bogus from the beginning. You can say all these super delegates support Clinton. But there's simply no way they wouldn't flip to Sanders if he had a clear majority of the delegates, especially if he also had a clear majority of the popular vote. It's not just me saying that. Look what happened back in 2008. Virtually all the Clinton super delegates eventually flipped to Obama.
The case where supers might really come into play would be a situation where one candidate had a thin lead in delegates but had clearly lost the overall popular vote. The popular vote has no formal meaning in the process. But such a mismatch between the two outcomes might allow the super delegates to feel they could get away with or even have an obligation to step in.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/what-is-sanders-thinking
George II
(67,782 posts)Plus, "contesting" generally takes place after the first ballot and no candidate get a majority of votes*.
So, how the fuck is he going to "contest" the convention? It won't even be "brokered", either - again, just two candidates. Which candidate's camp is he going to be "brokering" with?
*maybe he'll try to get some delegates to not vote on the first ballot so Clinton won't get a majority of delegates voting for her, but she'll STILL get a majority of votes.
Case closed. Over. Bye bye Bernie.
Cha
(297,304 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)He's deliberately omitting the fact that the supers are built in and 15% of the total delegates.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)Dude, come on. Go home. It's over.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)That's exactly the kind of shit that irritates me.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)He and Mrs. Grifter will be cruising all the hospitality suites and crashing parties in pursuit of Lobster Sliders to match the quality of the one's they had on their flight to see the Pope and also some complimentary bottles of wine.
I bet he asks the DNC to pay for his room as well as Tad's, Jeff's, Nina's and Killer Mike's.
I am so over this bunch
Cha
(297,304 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)yesterday it was "public funds shouldn't pay for partisan primaries". It's the outrage of the day and they keep making shit up.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Cha
(297,304 posts)And, one who would not be dealing in facts.
Regardless of Sanders strategies, back-up plans and other machinations, there will not be a brokered convention and Senator Sanders will not be the nominee. He may spend the next two months pretending otherwise, but the democratic nomination process is over for everyone but Sanders and his most confused supporters.
sanders may or may not be "misguided".. either way he's trying to dupe the American People and we've already had too many Presidents like that.. No Thank you, BS.
Yo Mama~http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=122726
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)attention in March when I guess he had threatened to do this then.
Cha
(297,304 posts)I'm not surprised and even expected it.. I've been sickeningly aware and paying too much attention to what he's up to and his MO..
My hope is that.. his supporters(not the ones like on DU, of course) but, those who actually care about not handing the 2016 election over to a maniac like trump will start to rebel.. there's one revolution for him.
The truly disgusting part about Bernie's contested convention aspirations is how he thinks he's entitled to override the will of POC/women.
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