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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:06 PM May 2016

Ok, I know HRC will most likely choose Castro (sorry) as her running mate, and this might be a sore

subject, and I am NOT trying to flame anyone, but, just consider...

Why not Bernie? Maybe he's holding out to be the veep. And maybe that just might be the reach to the left some on the left need.

I am just thinking out loud, after some Cinco de Mayo festivities, so please take no offense.

OMG!!!! I am sooo sorry. I typed Cruz when I meant Castro. Of course, I admitted to being tipsy too, so there's that

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Ok, I know HRC will most likely choose Castro (sorry) as her running mate, and this might be a sore (Original Post) LaydeeBug May 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik May 2016 #1
Uh, WTH! eom UtahLib May 2016 #2
You didn't mean to type Cruz, did you? johnp3907 May 2016 #3
? LannyDeVaney May 2016 #4
Yep. He can be the veep or something. LaydeeBug May 2016 #6
Nah, you're good. LannyDeVaney May 2016 #11
You didn't mean Julian Castro? stonecutter357 May 2016 #5
I did, I did. I did. And I am *sorry* nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #7
Thanks for the correction.. eom UtahLib May 2016 #9
I think age may be a factor, in reference to Bernie being selected as VP.... FrenchieCat May 2016 #8
I know, but Reagan seemed to put an end to all that LaydeeBug May 2016 #10
Reagan sort of put an end to that, but now we all know he was suffering dementia his last term. George II May 2016 #38
Yep, age is a big factor. Plus they are both from the NE. Fla Dem May 2016 #45
I would prefer she pick a Democrat 72DejaVu May 2016 #12
Good one katmille May 2016 #20
NO.. Hill NO Cha May 2016 #13
Nope, never obamanut2012 May 2016 #14
I'd rather have a Democrat Connie_Corleone May 2016 #15
open to it Jayd4sho May 2016 #16
Problem is, he's not and has never been a Democrat. Said so himself. BlueCaliDem May 2016 #24
Nope. Not at all. SaschaHM May 2016 #17
Totally agree - NO WAY! SharonClark May 2016 #36
I am not saying I like the idea of Sander's, but I am not excited about Castro. wisteria May 2016 #18
I get it. And SaschaNM is right. It's almost like rewarding bad behavior nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #19
Castro is too inexperienced IMO Freddie May 2016 #29
I agree. I also think he's too inexperienced. I think spooky3 May 2016 #32
George Clooney for VP! n/t splat May 2016 #21
Oh man. He would be the hottest VP in history. skylucy May 2016 #30
Aren't you forgetting Dan Quayle? spooky3 May 2016 #33
LOL Yeah, he was kinda hot until he opened his mouth. Then he was like a hot potato...Although he skylucy May 2016 #55
Nope! Look, I don't think 74 katmille May 2016 #22
Castro is my boss, and he's great! I hope she does choose him and put Texas in play! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2016 #23
Julian Castro would make a wonderful VP, and I hope Hillary will choose him. BlueCaliDem May 2016 #25
Lucky you! brer cat May 2016 #26
Good to hear from you on HUD Sec, Julian Castro, L_S! Cha May 2016 #28
That is incredible, Liberal_Stalwart! Haveadream May 2016 #35
If I thought that Bernie would be a net plus for her campaign I would want her to pick him...but skylucy May 2016 #27
You covered everything! Agree with all this! Her Sister May 2016 #41
This post wins!!!! nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #54
No, just no! BlueMTexpat May 2016 #31
Sanders doesn't bring her much Stuckinthebush May 2016 #34
Castro is too young looking SharonClark May 2016 #37
Personally, I don't want Sanders anywhere near the Clinton Administration. I don't even... George II May 2016 #39
Think he needs to be in the Senate so doesn't have time to go around the nation stumping his stump Her Sister May 2016 #42
Sometimes I think Al Franken would be a good choice. Koinos May 2016 #40
I agree with this! Like Al franken Her Sister May 2016 #44
Absolutely NO WAY IN HELL DemonGoddess May 2016 #43
You have to be joking!!!! Walk away May 2016 #46
The problem with Bernie as a VP candidate Koinos May 2016 #47
Plus, as evidenced by his NYDN interview, he dosen't know what he is talking about! Walk away May 2016 #49
For both Sanders and Trump, what you are against is more important than what you are for. Koinos May 2016 #51
because that ticket would be older than the beginning of civilization La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #48
Hillary will pick someone younger than her. I'm still sufrommich May 2016 #50
Same ends otherwise achievable whatthehey May 2016 #52
Bernie Who? otohara May 2016 #53

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
6. Yep. He can be the veep or something.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

maybe more "or something". I should have said no to the beverages, lol

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
8. I think age may be a factor, in reference to Bernie being selected as VP....
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:24 PM
May 2016

To have both the President and the VP being over 70....might be an issue, IMO.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
10. I know, but Reagan seemed to put an end to all that
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:29 PM
May 2016

and the age thing seems to be the only flaw. (Admitted, it's likely to be a big one)

Fla Dem

(23,698 posts)
45. Yep, age is a big factor. Plus they are both from the NE.
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

That's the only concern I have about Tim Kaine as well. She's NY, he's Va. I know Va is typically considered the south, but it still is in that NE corridor. I would think the ticket needs to be a more geographically diverse as well as ethnically diverse.

Buzz grows in Dem circles over Kaine as Clinton VP

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/tim-kaine-vice-president-hillary-clinton/

Jayd4sho

(45 posts)
16. open to it
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

I am actually open to a Bernie Veep.

Yes he was annoying, yes he lied about Hillary, yes he tried to ruin her character, yes he whines a lot about set rules, and yes his advisers/supporters (a select fringe) are horrible/condescending. However, in the end, the nation comes first. I remember how many Hillary supporters were so angry at Barack, and let us not lie, even Barack did some dirty campaigning. Politics in general is just dirty, period, especially during an election. If not VP, then some title of note. Barack did not just toss Hillary aside knowing full well he needed to unite the party. It is the same situation that is happening now.

What Bernie is doing now is wrong and is not good for the party, but a unified party supersedes the bickering that is occurring at the moment. The hardcore Bernie supporters who will trash Hillary at every turn would not have voted for her anyways. However, the true democrats who support Bernie and are open to Hillary need to be included in this next era of American politics.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
24. Problem is, he's not and has never been a Democrat. Said so himself.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:24 PM
May 2016

So no. I don't want him to be Hillary's VP-running mate.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
17. Nope. Not at all.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

1) His Behavior throughout the campaign
2) The camps are not going to meld in the slightest
3) Don't need the VP and his acolytes constantly trying to discredit the Prez on the trail and during the race.
4) Money Laundering, Unqualified, FEC violations, transcripts, Dishonest, etc. No one thinks you're authentic if you pick a person who has leveled such attacks against you.

Bernie's treatment of the Dem party throughout the race shows that he's not a team player and that's fine for someone that's doesn't have any chances on the ticket. We don't need news of constant battles at the white house because there aren't enough glittery unicorns on a piece of legislation. You need someone ready and willing to sign on to the president's legacy and Bernie's ego won't even allow that.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
18. I am not saying I like the idea of Sander's, but I am not excited about Castro.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

It just seems so contrived. Like John Kerry being pushed to pick golden boy at the time, John Edwards. And, I am not saying Castro is personally like Edwards.

Freddie

(9,269 posts)
29. Castro is too inexperienced IMO
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

The ideal running mate would be a Senator, to her left, from a state with a Dem governor who would not replace him with a Repug (that eliminates Sherrod Brown).
"Him" because while we're ready for HRC, I don't think the country is ready for an all-female ticket.
MN Sen. Al Franken or PA Sen. Robert Casey come to mind. Casey is a devout Catholic and anti-choice (but not ridiculous about it) so I think Franken would be the better pick.

spooky3

(34,461 posts)
32. I agree. I also think he's too inexperienced. I think
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:38 AM
May 2016

That, in this election year, a VP should be perceived as a low risk, steady, well known and liked person rather than someone who brings excitement to the ticket. Amy Klobuchar would be good, but there is too much sexism among voters in this country for a ticket with two women to be considered.

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
55. LOL Yeah, he was kinda hot until he opened his mouth. Then he was like a hot potato...Although he
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

would say hot "potatoe".

katmille

(213 posts)
22. Nope! Look, I don't think 74
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

Is that old. Hell, I'm 75, still working, volunteer in the summers with a Children's Defense Fund Freedom School, have more energy than my 72 year old husband, hang out with 8 and 11 year olds (yeah, my granddaughters) BUT Bernie is too old to be Vice President. He just is! He is grumpy and easily irritated. Much of that short fuse is because he is TIRED. Yep, too old.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
35. That is incredible, Liberal_Stalwart!
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

Thank you for sharing that with us. Also great to know he is such a good person to work for. Can you imagine if he were on the ticket? Wow! Really exciting. If you can, keep us posted as to developments!





skylucy

(3,739 posts)
27. If I thought that Bernie would be a net plus for her campaign I would want her to pick him...but
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

I think he would actually hurt her. First rule of VP pick--Do no harm. There is a reason why the Republicans are running ads to help Bernie and why Trump actually stands up for Bernie. They would go after him with all the opposition research they have---They would scream "Socialist" "Communist" "Rape Fantasies" "Naked Children" "He says cancer is caused by lack of orgasms" (He may have written all that stuff when he was young and in college, but that wouldn't matter to them.) Trump would talk about Jane Sanders' problems at the college she worked at. Trump would bring up the love child, say that Bernie didn't really work steady until he was 40. They would bring up the radioactive waste from Vermont dumped on a poor town in Texas. Yeah, it would be dirty politics, but it would be done. Hillary has chosen not to bring up any of that. But the GOP would love to have at Bernie. They thought nothing of smearing a war hero (John Kerry).It was despicable, but it worked and the chickenhawk little Georgie Bush won, didn't he? All that ammunition for the GOP and also the fact that Vermont will be blue for Hillary no matter what anyway. I know the Bernie supporters think that none of that stuff would hurt Bernie in a General Election, but it would. No matter who she picks, the GOP will tear into them, but there are less risky choices who could help in important ways (i.e. Hispanic or African American to double down on her stengths, someone who could help win an important toss-up state like Ohio or Florida, etc.) Of course I could be totally wrong about this! So if Hillary's team does the inside polling etc. and is confident that Bernie as a running mate would help the Dems win...Then I would definitely be supportive of that. How's that for hedging my bets?

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
41. You covered everything! Agree with all this!
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

BS hasn't been vetted! HE WILL BE! and won't be FUN! Close to gross actually! Plus Jane is there too....

These two need to go back to Vermont, provide their taxes, pay for the Vatican trip and whatever FEC violations they incurred, get back to Senate work.... and fade into the sunset....

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
31. No, just no!
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:37 AM
May 2016

Hill, no!

Bernie is NOT a team player. Period. That has been amply demonstrated throughout this campaign and continues to be demonstrated on a daily basis. A President needs to have a Veep who will have her back. Bernie is someone who has his own back first and foremost.

There are a LOT of excellent possibilities and every single one would help Hillary much more than Bernie would. Castro is but one. MOM is another. And there are LOTS, LOTS more.

I myself prefer that it be someone who is NOT a sitting Dem Senator or a sitting Dem Governor. For example, Elizabeth Warren would bring ALL of Bernie's plusses and NONE of his minuses to the ticket, but she can do much MORE good as a Senator than as a Veep candidate, IMO. Ditto for current governors.

We have some excellent Dems out there and Hillary herself will know how to ID the best "fit." Bernie is simply not a good fit.

Stuckinthebush

(10,846 posts)
34. Sanders doesn't bring her much
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:57 AM
May 2016

Oh, I know they will say that he brings the young uns, but the ones who actually vote will vote for her anyway. We need to secure an electoral rich swing state with the VP pick.

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. Personally, I don't want Sanders anywhere near the Clinton Administration. I don't even...
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:31 AM
May 2016

...want him in the Senate any longer.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
42. Think he needs to be in the Senate so doesn't have time to go around the nation stumping his stump
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

speech...

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
40. Sometimes I think Al Franken would be a good choice.
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:39 AM
May 2016

The greatest weapon against egos like Trump is ridicule and laughter. Al Franken's wit would reduce Trump to a laughingstock.

I think he would be a great VP as well.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
44. I agree with this! Like Al franken
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

Someone more than ready to say FU to the Trump. and do it well!

Am personally pretty open to whatever HRC chooses... just kinda done with the whole BS and don't trust him much at this point. But knowing HRC she can turn anything around. She doesn't burn bridges.

HRC doesn't burn bridges.... she builds them!

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
43. Absolutely NO WAY IN HELL
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:48 AM
May 2016

He is NOT a team player. To be part of a team, and the VP is an integral part of that, that's a must have qualification. Aside from that, he'd destroy the ticket with the nastiness that the GOP would spew BECAUSE of his past. They've played nice and not used it, because they know that by using it, they'd defeat him in the general. Having him on the ticket for the general would mean defeat, along the lines of McGovern.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
46. You have to be joking!!!!
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:01 AM
May 2016

So I will laugh....

His Socialista tendencies make him unelectable for anything but a Vermont Senator or President of Cuba!

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
47. The problem with Bernie as a VP candidate
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

A Democratic VP candidate is supposed to be an attack dog that goes after the Republican ticket. Bernie has shown no stomach for attacking Republicans. He would probably just sit out the campaign.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
49. Plus, as evidenced by his NYDN interview, he dosen't know what he is talking about!
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

The only thing he needed to know anything about...the (supposed) reason he is running in the first place...and he doesn't know his ass from his elbow!
I get that Bernie followers and Donald fans are the same in this. They wouldn't care if they elect an idiot as long as that idiot hates the government and tells them that they are better than everyone else. That's the new definition of "Populism" in either party.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
51. For both Sanders and Trump, what you are against is more important than what you are for.
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

There is too much unresolved anger in both the Sanders and Trump campaigns.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
48. because that ticket would be older than the beginning of civilization
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

plus you can't attack someone for months and be their vp. he would be a drag on the ticket. his ardent supporters ( the ten percent who will not vote for her no matter what, will not be appeased, and he won't attract new voters)

Castro or someone young and energetic is just a smarter choice

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
50. Hillary will pick someone younger than her. I'm still
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

unrealistically holding out hope for Sherrod Brown.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
52. Same ends otherwise achievable
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

Without disrupting Senate or blurring party lines.

Like Sanders, the alternative I could see as interesting, Raul Grijalva, has some image issues in being no longer young nor photogenic, but he's similarly to her left, with the added advantage of ethnic and regional diversity, Dem party bona fides and representing a safe blue seat.

Admittedly with Trump's 9% favorability among Hispanics, he wouldn't sway vote ratios much but he may surge their turnout.

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