Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumOk, I know HRC will most likely choose Castro (sorry) as her running mate, and this might be a sore
subject, and I am NOT trying to flame anyone, but, just consider...
Why not Bernie? Maybe he's holding out to be the veep. And maybe that just might be the reach to the left some on the left need.
I am just thinking out loud, after some Cinco de Mayo festivities, so please take no offense.
OMG!!!! I am sooo sorry. I typed Cruz when I meant Castro. Of course, I admitted to being tipsy too, so there's that
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UtahLib
(3,179 posts)johnp3907
(3,732 posts)LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)Oh.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)maybe more "or something". I should have said no to the beverages, lol
LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)UtahLib
(3,179 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)To have both the President and the VP being over 70....might be an issue, IMO.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and the age thing seems to be the only flaw. (Admitted, it's likely to be a big one)
George II
(67,782 posts)Fla Dem
(23,698 posts)That's the only concern I have about Tim Kaine as well. She's NY, he's Va. I know Va is typically considered the south, but it still is in that NE corridor. I would think the ticket needs to be a more geographically diverse as well as ethnically diverse.
Buzz grows in Dem circles over Kaine as Clinton VP
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/tim-kaine-vice-president-hillary-clinton/
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)DejaVu.
Cha
(297,375 posts)obamanut2012
(26,083 posts)He isn't even a Dem, and he would be a horrible Veep.
Connie_Corleone
(9,330 posts)Not someone who only joined for the money and exposure.
Jayd4sho
(45 posts)I am actually open to a Bernie Veep.
Yes he was annoying, yes he lied about Hillary, yes he tried to ruin her character, yes he whines a lot about set rules, and yes his advisers/supporters (a select fringe) are horrible/condescending. However, in the end, the nation comes first. I remember how many Hillary supporters were so angry at Barack, and let us not lie, even Barack did some dirty campaigning. Politics in general is just dirty, period, especially during an election. If not VP, then some title of note. Barack did not just toss Hillary aside knowing full well he needed to unite the party. It is the same situation that is happening now.
What Bernie is doing now is wrong and is not good for the party, but a unified party supersedes the bickering that is occurring at the moment. The hardcore Bernie supporters who will trash Hillary at every turn would not have voted for her anyways. However, the true democrats who support Bernie and are open to Hillary need to be included in this next era of American politics.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)So no. I don't want him to be Hillary's VP-running mate.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)1) His Behavior throughout the campaign
2) The camps are not going to meld in the slightest
3) Don't need the VP and his acolytes constantly trying to discredit the Prez on the trail and during the race.
4) Money Laundering, Unqualified, FEC violations, transcripts, Dishonest, etc. No one thinks you're authentic if you pick a person who has leveled such attacks against you.
Bernie's treatment of the Dem party throughout the race shows that he's not a team player and that's fine for someone that's doesn't have any chances on the ticket. We don't need news of constant battles at the white house because there aren't enough glittery unicorns on a piece of legislation. You need someone ready and willing to sign on to the president's legacy and Bernie's ego won't even allow that.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)It just seems so contrived. Like John Kerry being pushed to pick golden boy at the time, John Edwards. And, I am not saying Castro is personally like Edwards.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Freddie
(9,269 posts)The ideal running mate would be a Senator, to her left, from a state with a Dem governor who would not replace him with a Repug (that eliminates Sherrod Brown).
"Him" because while we're ready for HRC, I don't think the country is ready for an all-female ticket.
MN Sen. Al Franken or PA Sen. Robert Casey come to mind. Casey is a devout Catholic and anti-choice (but not ridiculous about it) so I think Franken would be the better pick.
spooky3
(34,461 posts)That, in this election year, a VP should be perceived as a low risk, steady, well known and liked person rather than someone who brings excitement to the ticket. Amy Klobuchar would be good, but there is too much sexism among voters in this country for a ticket with two women to be considered.
splat
(2,294 posts)skylucy
(3,739 posts)spooky3
(34,461 posts)skylucy
(3,739 posts)would say hot "potatoe".
katmille
(213 posts)Is that old. Hell, I'm 75, still working, volunteer in the summers with a Children's Defense Fund Freedom School, have more energy than my 72 year old husband, hang out with 8 and 11 year olds (yeah, my granddaughters) BUT Bernie is too old to be Vice President. He just is! He is grumpy and easily irritated. Much of that short fuse is because he is TIRED. Yep, too old.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I really do.
brer cat
(24,579 posts)I would dearly love to see Texas turn blue.
Cha
(297,375 posts)I certainly like him for Veep!
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Thank you for sharing that with us. Also great to know he is such a good person to work for. Can you imagine if he were on the ticket? Wow! Really exciting. If you can, keep us posted as to developments!
skylucy
(3,739 posts)I think he would actually hurt her. First rule of VP pick--Do no harm. There is a reason why the Republicans are running ads to help Bernie and why Trump actually stands up for Bernie. They would go after him with all the opposition research they have---They would scream "Socialist" "Communist" "Rape Fantasies" "Naked Children" "He says cancer is caused by lack of orgasms" (He may have written all that stuff when he was young and in college, but that wouldn't matter to them.) Trump would talk about Jane Sanders' problems at the college she worked at. Trump would bring up the love child, say that Bernie didn't really work steady until he was 40. They would bring up the radioactive waste from Vermont dumped on a poor town in Texas. Yeah, it would be dirty politics, but it would be done. Hillary has chosen not to bring up any of that. But the GOP would love to have at Bernie. They thought nothing of smearing a war hero (John Kerry).It was despicable, but it worked and the chickenhawk little Georgie Bush won, didn't he? All that ammunition for the GOP and also the fact that Vermont will be blue for Hillary no matter what anyway. I know the Bernie supporters think that none of that stuff would hurt Bernie in a General Election, but it would. No matter who she picks, the GOP will tear into them, but there are less risky choices who could help in important ways (i.e. Hispanic or African American to double down on her stengths, someone who could help win an important toss-up state like Ohio or Florida, etc.) Of course I could be totally wrong about this! So if Hillary's team does the inside polling etc. and is confident that Bernie as a running mate would help the Dems win...Then I would definitely be supportive of that. How's that for hedging my bets?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)BS hasn't been vetted! HE WILL BE! and won't be FUN! Close to gross actually! Plus Jane is there too....
These two need to go back to Vermont, provide their taxes, pay for the Vatican trip and whatever FEC violations they incurred, get back to Senate work.... and fade into the sunset....
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Hill, no!
Bernie is NOT a team player. Period. That has been amply demonstrated throughout this campaign and continues to be demonstrated on a daily basis. A President needs to have a Veep who will have her back. Bernie is someone who has his own back first and foremost.
There are a LOT of excellent possibilities and every single one would help Hillary much more than Bernie would. Castro is but one. MOM is another. And there are LOTS, LOTS more.
I myself prefer that it be someone who is NOT a sitting Dem Senator or a sitting Dem Governor. For example, Elizabeth Warren would bring ALL of Bernie's plusses and NONE of his minuses to the ticket, but she can do much MORE good as a Senator than as a Veep candidate, IMO. Ditto for current governors.
We have some excellent Dems out there and Hillary herself will know how to ID the best "fit." Bernie is simply not a good fit.
Stuckinthebush
(10,846 posts)Oh, I know they will say that he brings the young uns, but the ones who actually vote will vote for her anyway. We need to secure an electoral rich swing state with the VP pick.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)She needs someone who looks like he can stand up for himself
George II
(67,782 posts)...want him in the Senate any longer.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)speech...
Koinos
(2,792 posts)The greatest weapon against egos like Trump is ridicule and laughter. Al Franken's wit would reduce Trump to a laughingstock.
I think he would be a great VP as well.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Someone more than ready to say FU to the Trump. and do it well!
Am personally pretty open to whatever HRC chooses... just kinda done with the whole BS and don't trust him much at this point. But knowing HRC she can turn anything around. She doesn't burn bridges.
HRC doesn't burn bridges.... she builds them!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)He is NOT a team player. To be part of a team, and the VP is an integral part of that, that's a must have qualification. Aside from that, he'd destroy the ticket with the nastiness that the GOP would spew BECAUSE of his past. They've played nice and not used it, because they know that by using it, they'd defeat him in the general. Having him on the ticket for the general would mean defeat, along the lines of McGovern.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)So I will laugh....
His Socialista tendencies make him unelectable for anything but a Vermont Senator or President of Cuba!
Koinos
(2,792 posts)A Democratic VP candidate is supposed to be an attack dog that goes after the Republican ticket. Bernie has shown no stomach for attacking Republicans. He would probably just sit out the campaign.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)The only thing he needed to know anything about...the (supposed) reason he is running in the first place...and he doesn't know his ass from his elbow!
I get that Bernie followers and Donald fans are the same in this. They wouldn't care if they elect an idiot as long as that idiot hates the government and tells them that they are better than everyone else. That's the new definition of "Populism" in either party.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)There is too much unresolved anger in both the Sanders and Trump campaigns.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)plus you can't attack someone for months and be their vp. he would be a drag on the ticket. his ardent supporters ( the ten percent who will not vote for her no matter what, will not be appeased, and he won't attract new voters)
Castro or someone young and energetic is just a smarter choice
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)unrealistically holding out hope for Sherrod Brown.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Without disrupting Senate or blurring party lines.
Like Sanders, the alternative I could see as interesting, Raul Grijalva, has some image issues in being no longer young nor photogenic, but he's similarly to her left, with the added advantage of ethnic and regional diversity, Dem party bona fides and representing a safe blue seat.
Admittedly with Trump's 9% favorability among Hispanics, he wouldn't sway vote ratios much but he may surge their turnout.