Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumHRC won CA and NJ in '08, still lost, didn't hurt Obama in the General. BS voters be aware
The many posts in GDP insisting BS has a chance compels me, human to human, to warn them that there's a brick wall ahead that HRC voters ran into 8 years ago. Hillary won California and NJ, the two biggest remaining contests (she won CA by 8 points), and the Supers didn't switch to Hillary (who was only down by 60 or so delegates) because of momentum. They didn't see it as a sign of Obama weakness, and then panic and give it to Hillary so we could beat McCain. The PUMAs were in full effect, insisting Obama would lose the general and it would be all his fault, the DNC's, fault.. But when reality had its say, Obama won the primary, and the general.
Here's what history tells us- Oregon will be won by Bernie (as Obama did in 08), but Hillary will win CA and NJ as she did in 08. Even if Hillary loses CA, which would be very surprising and unexpected, it wouldn't change the outcome of the primary, or even the general election.
Let's say Bernie wins CA with 60% of the vote. Hillary will still probably win NJ by a decent margin (which has 142 delegates). Let's do the math on this.
Bernie 60% CA win means he cuts into Hillary's lead by about 100 delegates
HRC 60% NJ win gives her about 30 more pledged delegates than BS.
That's a difference of 70 delegates. Bernie cuts into Hillary's' lead by 70 pledged delegates.
She's currently ahead by almost 300.
Remember that these are generous numbers for Bernie. Hillary is currently ahead of Bernie in CA by 10 points. One poll even has her ahead by 20 points (not sure I trust that number, but nevertheless...). This means Bernie will probably, at best, get within a few points of Hillary, splitting the delegates evenly.
Also, a few days ago the BS campaign said it's probably not going to spend more on TV ads in California, or produce new ones, which means they've pretty much surrendered. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-hobbled-heading-golden-state
But remember even if Bernie wins CA 60%, and even if he won NJ 60%, he'd still be down by about 160 delegates.
When Hillary dropped out in 08 she was only down by about 60 delegates, and had just won the 2 biggest remaining contests.
Just a little reminder that it's good to have hope, but don't lose complete touch with reality. It can be painful. Trust me. I know.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Plus, you need to be registered as a D or a NPP to vote in the D primary here. A lot of non-Ds won't bother going through making the needed change just to vote in the D primary.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)You are probably right. Closed primary means trump supporters can't fuck with our primary
riversedge
(70,245 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)The difference between Bernie and Hillary(2008) is Bernie is running out of gas already. I predict unexpectedly strong showings for Hillary in all remaining contests, meaning any losses will be marginal and wins wil be huge.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)Treant
(1,968 posts)I'm waiting to see Oregon on Tuesday; my offhand, from the demographics, is Sanders +15.
If it's much weaker than that, or a Clinton win, then I'd say the quicksand is getting rather sticky.
Kentucky is not a state I have any familiarity with, so I'm tentatively simply setting the results at 50-50.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Benchmark Politics
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My read on Oregon - it's neck and neck. Polls and turnout good for Clinton. My model - a tie. The ideology - prob Bernie. A true 50-50.
I don't know what to make of it, but every time in this Primary, it's been inadvisable to bet against demographics. The demographics in Oregon are definitely on Sanders' side.
A tie/narrow win for either candidate really IS a sign that the quicksand is getting very draggy.
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)If the BSERS hold true, this isn't going to happen once BS finally realizes he is cooked.