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HappyinLA

(129 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:55 PM Jul 2015

Some fascinating numbers from the new PPP poll

Just for giggles, looking at how the numbers break via ideology.

Hillary 57% overall support
64% identifying at very liberal
58% identifying as liberal
59% identifying as moderate
37% identifying as somewhat conservative
27% identifying as very conservative

Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative

Not only is she +35 overall, she's +38 with very liberal and +39 with liberal.

That's going to hurt some feelings.

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Some fascinating numbers from the new PPP poll (Original Post) HappyinLA Jul 2015 OP
Ha ha! shenmue Jul 2015 #1
Sanders 42%, +15 identifying as very conservative? Pretty illuminating. George II Jul 2015 #2
The +15 also explains this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #8
I feel like apologizing to you for all the ugly & hate ever lain upon you & yours. misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #19
Wow. You're famous! n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #30
Apparently, The Conservative Cave doesn't have much respect for.... Walk away Jul 2015 #52
Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #54
15% conservative? Wow! Little Star Jul 2015 #45
What is really interesting is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #3
Well, racist conservative gun nuts must love his vote on Minuteman militias. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #4
And then there was the "Jesus was a socialist"comment. misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #7
To put icing on the cake, Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #42
Nice breakdown in the numbers. What stands out is the 42% of Sander's supporters that identify as misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #5
See Post #8 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #10
And yet, when he has 10-11k at a rally AllyCat Jul 2015 #38
Could be that Bernie supporters like to go to rallies.... Walk away Jul 2015 #60
Interesting on the Liberal point, huh. I am surprised at the percentage of liberals. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #6
Yeeeeup! There it is and nice to have this poll outing the truth of the Surge. misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #9
"the truth of the Surge".... George II Jul 2015 #13
George II.. misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #20
Yes, confirmation. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #15
Is that for real? Why would Sanders have so much sufrommich Jul 2015 #11
anyone but Hillary people probably OKNancy Jul 2015 #14
G U N S ! ! George II Jul 2015 #18
Thread Win Done. nt onehandle Jul 2015 #35
Well, that might explain it. calimary Jul 2015 #48
Ron Paul Libertarians needed someplace to land? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #22
Maybe Greens? misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #27
Because he is addressing poverty and wages AllyCat Jul 2015 #39
They're probably GOP ratfuckers Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #43
I've stumbled upon conservative sites looking for Sanders orgnanizations. freshwest Jul 2015 #56
Why? Against the wars. Against the banksters. Against costly trade agreements. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #58
Shouldn't you post that in the Sanders group? George II Jul 2015 #59
And just because... HappyinLA Jul 2015 #12
Wow. Interesting. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #16
Telling numbers huh Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #17
Oooooh Noooooo!! misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #21
But ... But ... Black people LOVE Bernie!!!!! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #24
Lol. Yes I too noticed the rapid response damage control misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #25
"21% Favoriable by African American, 40% Unfavorable " Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #31
Why do you expect that number to fall? (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2015 #34
Were you in witness protection this past weekend? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #37
Yikes. Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #44
Holy crap! Little Star Jul 2015 #46
Hillay is a progessive and the people know it! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #23
Indeed she is. Has always been actually. misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #26
Those are good polling numbers Gothmog Jul 2015 #28
I'm not sure we should care about "hurt feelings", they don't seem to care about ours. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #29
K & R Iliyah Jul 2015 #32
Welcome to D, HappyinLA! And thanks for the report. pnwmom Jul 2015 #33
Link to source and a few more details D Gary Grady Jul 2015 #36
Oh good Lord. The Dems run a goat and I vote for it. I don't care. n/t broadcaster75201 Jul 2015 #40
Mahalo HappyinLA! Cha Jul 2015 #41
Hmmm... Overall support 57% to 22%, okay, got that. calimary Jul 2015 #47
Welcome to DU, HappyinLA! calimary Jul 2015 #49
It's all about Bernie and his gun support. That wouldn't help him much in... Walk away Jul 2015 #50
Here is the definition of a political conservative. ladjf Jul 2015 #51
Where guns are concerned....yes. Apparently, a very important issue to voters. nt Walk away Jul 2015 #53
Wow. Sanders is most popular among "very conservatives' BainsBane Jul 2015 #55
Fantastic! NYC Liberal Jul 2015 #57
This is my theory...but you're gonna think I'm crazy.... Sancho Jul 2015 #61

George II

(67,782 posts)
2. Sanders 42%, +15 identifying as very conservative? Pretty illuminating.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jul 2015

In fact that's the only ideology in which he's ahead of Hillary Clinton.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
8. The +15 also explains this ...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=103248.0

Get your mind bleach first (Sorry for the link) but I'm not seeing much space between the responses here and the responses there!

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
19. I feel like apologizing to you for all the ugly & hate ever lain upon you & yours.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

I can't believe I share the same planet & the same air with such a putrid form of humanity.

I can't find an appropriate smiley for this.

Love & respect to you 1StrongBlackMan

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
52. Apparently, The Conservative Cave doesn't have much respect for....
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jul 2015

the ability Blacks to make their own decisions or form their own collective opinions. That isn't very different from a lot of the threads around here recently. Same attitude different words.

I am a woman and if a man told me that women just didn't understand who to support because I was uninformed or had my own ideas on how I wanted Women's issues to be addressed, I'd spit in their eye.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. What is really interesting is ...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jul 2015

Plus 15 among self-iding "very conservative".

That might explain a lot.

SunSeeker

(51,697 posts)
4. Well, racist conservative gun nuts must love his vote on Minuteman militias.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jul 2015

And of course, there's Bernie mouthing NRA talking points about about how gun control won't work and how gun owners in Vermont are different than in Chicago or Los Angeles.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
7. And then there was the "Jesus was a socialist"comment.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jul 2015

God & Guns.
There's the 42%
Sanders is an Independent. He has no true loyalty to any Party, therefore...

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
42. To put icing on the cake,
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:38 AM
Jul 2015

there's also his vote against closing GITMO a few years back, his unwavering support for Israel, and his stance on drones (a few policies that some of his supporters happen to have disparaged Pres. Obama on while giving him a pass). BS has been portrayed as the standard-bearer for everything progressive, but it looks like even he has some stances to move leftward on.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
5. Nice breakdown in the numbers. What stands out is the 42% of Sander's supporters that identify as
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jul 2015

.."Very Conservative"
Just how does that connect with a social progressive bunch?

What is Bernie saying that brings 42% "Very Conservative" into his orbit? That is a high number.

OTH, so much for Hillary's poll numbers suddenly "tanking" as we read & heard all over the media yesterday.

Must have polled the 42% of Bernie's very conservative supporters.

Very encouraging & thanks for posting this in the HILLARY GROUP.

So she never really "tanked" after all. Oh that silly MSM.

2016

EQUAL RIGHTS are HUMAN RIGHTS
Hillary Clinton

AllyCat

(16,222 posts)
38. And yet, when he has 10-11k at a rally
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jul 2015

Many of his detractors say "but that's a liberal town!" So how would you explain all the people at his rallies? Personally, I see this result that he will pull people from the republicans to vote for him and keep an actual progressive in the WH.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
60. Could be that Bernie supporters like to go to rallies....
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jul 2015

What percentage of Democratic voters within driving distance is the 10,000 people who show up at his events?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. Interesting on the Liberal point, huh. I am surprised at the percentage of liberals.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jul 2015

Telling is the percentage of conservative support for Sanders, it could be the RW pulling against Hillary.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
9. Yeeeeup! There it is and nice to have this poll outing the truth of the Surge.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jul 2015


Not a big shock, just a confirmation of what we already suspected.


See how all that surge doesn't seem to affect Hillary Clinton's strength of numbers?
Her supporters & voting base is consistent & truly Dem.

HRC 2016

EQUAL RIGHTS are HUMAN RIGHTS
Hillary Clinton

calimary

(81,466 posts)
48. Well, that might explain it.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jul 2015

The arch-CONservatives are with him. I wasn't expecting that. Gotta be the gun thing then. Or a perception, perhaps, that he doesn't care about the Black community so much? PLEASE note, before anyone starts wanting to erupt - I said "PERCEPTION."

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
56. I've stumbled upon conservative sites looking for Sanders orgnanizations.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jul 2015

The blogs say that he has their vote because of guns, and that's all they care about.

I saved a link of a conservative GOP web site in my state that says they are supporting Sanders to keep HRC out of the general, as BS will be easier to beat.

They cite a former foray named 'Operation Chaos' as their method to discrupt Democratic primaries. They urged their folks to send money to Bernie.

Maybe they are the demographic being polled?

HappyinLA

(129 posts)
12. And just because...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jul 2015

Favorability by race

Hillary
67% Favoriable by Hispanics, 24% Unfavorable
67% Favoriable by White, 24% Unfavorable
83% Favoriable by African American, 12% Unfavorable

Sanders
36% Favoriable by Hispanics, 28% Unfavorable
50% Favoriable by White, 21% Unfavorable
21% Favoriable by African American, 40% Unfavorable

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
21. Oooooh Noooooo!!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jul 2015

Favorability by race

Hillary
67% Favoriable by Hispanics, 24% Unfavorable
67% Favoriable by White, 24% Unfavorable
83% Favoriable by African American, 12% Unfavorable

Sanders
36% Favoriable by Hispanics, 28% Unfavorable
50% Favoriable by White, 21% Unfavorable
21% Favoriable by African American, 40% Unfavorable

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. But ... But ... Black people LOVE Bernie!!!!! ...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jul 2015

I say a Black guy on the internet that said he loves Bernie!

I just can't wait for DU:Bernie to explain that Black people just love him.

{ETA: I'm sorry ... I will delete this upon request}

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
25. Lol. Yes I too noticed the rapid response damage control
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jul 2015

..since Netroots, around here lately.

Just a comment on an observation.
I don't know exacyly what it means, 1StrongBlackMan.
It was noticeable however

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
31. "21% Favoriable by African American, 40% Unfavorable "
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jul 2015

Expect that favorable number to decrease significantly.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
44. Yikes.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:43 AM
Jul 2015
Sanders
36% Favoriable by Hispanics, 28% Unfavorable
50% Favoriable by White, 21% Unfavorable
21% Favoriable by African American, 40% Unfavorable


And these are all people within the party who view him unfavorably. We haven't even made it to the 1st debate yet!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
29. I'm not sure we should care about "hurt feelings", they don't seem to care about ours.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jul 2015

Give me raw hard data anytime over hyperbolic DU punditry anytime.

D Gary Grady

(133 posts)
36. Link to source and a few more details
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015

Here's a link to the PPP report (opens a 108-page PDF document):

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

I found the original post a little confusing in the way the numbers are presented. If it helps, here's a slightly different breakdown showing the first choices of those expected to vote in Democratic primaries:

Overall: 57% prefer Clinton versus 22% Sanders.
Very liberal: 64 Clinton / 26 Sanders
Liberal: 58 Clinton / 19 Sanders
Moderate: 59 Clinton / 16 Sanders
Somewhat conservative: 37 Clinton / 31 Sanders
Very conservative: 27 Clinton / 42 Sanders

What I suspect the last line means is that conservatives tend to be aware of Hillary Clinton and a lot of them are convinced she's evil incarnate, not that very conservative voters love Bernie Sanders.

Incidentally, every candidate of both parties is underwater on favorability.

Rather amusingly, PPP shows separate favorability ratings for Trump and Trump's hair. (His hair rates 12/49/39, versus 29/60/11 for Trump himself.)

calimary

(81,466 posts)
47. Hmmm... Overall support 57% to 22%, okay, got that.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

"Very liberal" 64% to 26%. Okay, got that, too.

"Liberal" 58% to 19%... got THAT.

"Moderate" 59% to 16%... quite a margin there as well.

"Very conservative" - what's this? 27% for her - and FORTY-TWO percent for him?????? Ouch!

There is one outlier - the "somewhat conservatives" do break for her a little more than for him, 37%-31%, so you can't win 'em all. But out of six metrics, she outdoes him in five. And rather decisively, at that.



Just looking at the numbers. That's all.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
49. Welcome to DU, HappyinLA!
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jul 2015

Glad you're here! That's quite an intriguing find. Thank you for posting. PPP is usually pretty reliable, too, and from what I've heard, leans liberal anyway as opposed to something like Gallup that leans CONservative.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
50. It's all about Bernie and his gun support. That wouldn't help him much in...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

a general election where most republicans can "outgun" him.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
51. Here is the definition of a political conservative.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:36 AM
Jul 2015

"con·ser·va·tism

1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.

2. A political philosophy or attitude that emphasizes respect for traditional institutions and opposes the attempt to achieve social change though legislation or publicly funded programs.

3. Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.

Does that sound like Senator Sanders' political views?


BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
55. Wow. Sanders is most popular among "very conservatives'
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jul 2015

and here I've been told that progressive meant supporting Bernie Sanders.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
57. Fantastic!
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jul 2015

Of course, when Hillary has conservative support, it's just proof positive that she's an evil right-wing corporatist.

When Sanders has conservative support — and even more than Hillary — well, see, he's just so great that he's even winning over conservatives!

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
61. This is my theory...but you're gonna think I'm crazy....
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jul 2015

Remember, weeks ago I stated on DU that Bernie would not appeal to a lot of minorities and immigrants. That was before Netroots.

I think that there's a subset of Bernie supporters that I would call "Archie Bunkers". They are usually white, don't identify with the Tea Party, love guns, don't really think a woman should be President, and hate Wall Street. They don't particularly care about Party affiliation, but might think of themselves as "conservative". I think there are a number of those folks in the west and red states. Some might attend rallies. They are not particularly good at introspection, may work in a blue collar job, and like Bernie's emotional personality. They don't like or identify with Rick Perry, Rubio, or much of the Clown Car.

I think the poll is picking up on that subset.



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