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Related: About this forumNo should be allowed to be part of the committee that writes the platform who has degraded and
insulted the head of the Democratic party, President Obama, and if the DNC allows that crap to occur, than they have lost their fucking minds.
The first African American President has been called every name in the book by Dr. West, and for that disgraceful behavior he should NOT be allowed on the platform committee
skylucy
(3,739 posts)be plenty of other voices that will act as a firewall to his nonsense.
still_one
(92,217 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)be OK with that.
Only4RM ??@Only4RM
I knew @BernieSanders wasn't for me when he embraced the now-vulgarized SHELL of @CornelWest as surrogate. @Lawrence pic.twitter.com/Hx6WXWtIjW
Only4RM ??@Only4RM
#BernieLostMe when he decided that Obama-bashing in the vilest terms was the #1 criterion to be a VIP Black surrogate for his campaign.
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UtahLib
(3,179 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)What disrespect towards the president.
still_one
(92,217 posts)don't have any issues with
iandhr
(6,852 posts)said such harsh things about Johnson that Johnson disinvited him to the White House. Have a look at his speech at Riverside Church, or his strong critiques of capitalism and the total abandonment of the poor. If this were 1966, you'd be saying the same exact thing about him. King, a democratic socialist, was much closer to West and Sanders ideologically than the Clintons and Obama. Please try arguing otherwise.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I do not recall MLK using Racialized and destructive language aginst Johnson. And then being put on the DNC platform committee. Referesh my memory, please, TIA.
still_one
(92,217 posts)posts are anti-Hillary
bravenak
(34,648 posts)still_one
(92,217 posts)Johnson was a complex one, and there were a lot of acrimonious feelings involved between them
but saying the relationship between President Obama and Dr. West is comparable, I do not agree with.
This involves putting someone on the rules committee who has openly disparaged President Obama in the most provacitive terms
There are some very distinguished folks on that committee who strongly care about civil rights, woman's rights, and the environment, such as Elijah Cummings, Barbara Lee, Alicia Reece, Carol Browner, and others.
In fact the other Sanders appointments such as John Zogby and Keith Ellison, I think are terrific, and also add diversity to that committee, but I personally believe he choose Dr. West as a slap in the face to President Obama and the DNC
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Btw, have you seen the movie yet? Watched it last night. GOOD. Made me love Johnson with his flaws and all. Real person, genuine and flawed and awesome all at the same time.
LBJ
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4778988/
I'll have to see it when it becomes available.. Thank you!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)So it's no surprise that their relationship was difficult.
I just added the movie to my Netflix queue.
Cha
(297,290 posts)Mahalo great aunt~
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)I had googled it before not really knowing the name of the movie you all were talking about and got this one..
LBJ(2016)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4778988/
It looks good too.. but not available on Netflix yet so I knew you must not be talking about that one.
great aunt~
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Good cast, too.
he called the US government, which was then led by Johnson, the "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." He also wasn't radicalized, he was always a democratic socialist (this isn't new or secret information). The message that West has pushed for is totally in line with the things King fought for, even if his language might (understandably) offend some. Focusing on that language and not the substance of what he's said is indefensible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/martin-luther-king-was-a-democratic-socialist_b_9008990.html
In 1966 King confided to his staff:
You cant talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You cant talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. Youre really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism. There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.
In a 1961 speech to the Negro American Labor Council, King proclaimed, Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all Gods children. Speaking to a meeting of Teamsters union shop stewards in 1967, King said, Negroes are not the only poor in the nation. There are nearly twice as many white poor as Negro, and therefore the struggle against poverty is not involved solely with color or racial discrimination but with elementary economic justice.
...King called America the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today and linked the struggle for social justice with the struggle against militarism. King argued that Vietnam was stealing precious resources from domestic programs and that the Vietnam War was an enemy of the poor. In his last book, Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community? (1967), King wrote, The bombs in Vietnam explode at home; they destroy the hopes and possibilities for a decent America.
In early 1968, King told journalist David Halberstam, For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think youve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0115-13.htm
(His speech at Riverside Church in 1967, he kind of sounds like someone running now for president)
...In 1957 a sensitive American official overseas said that it seemed to him that our nation was on the wrong side of a world revolution. During the past ten years we have seen emerge a pattern of suppression which now has justified the presence of U.S. military "advisers" in Venezuela. This need to maintain social stability for our investments accounts for the counter-revolutionary action of American forces in Guatemala. It tells why American helicopters are being used against guerrillas in Colombia and why American napalm and green beret forces have already been active against rebels in Peru. It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken -- the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investment. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.
...A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America and say: "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war: "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of people normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.
...My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettoes of the North over the last three years -- especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they asked -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.
still_one
(92,217 posts)Maybe not, hmmmmm
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Look at the history of Blacks in america from our perspective and you will see we have been terrorized since the inception of this nation.
sheshe2
(83,788 posts)You came into our home and took a dump.
still_one
(92,217 posts)are even trying to relate it to something between Johnson and Martin Luther King is NOT comparable.
Having Dr. West on the committee that makes the rules is an INSULT TO OUR PRESIDENT
Just curious if you are a Hillary supporter?
still_one
(92,217 posts)Here is a couple of random searches I did
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511948504
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512010860
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512039269
and I observe about 99% of your posts are anti-Hillary threads.
This group is for those that support Hillary
BYE
kaleckim
(651 posts)I didn't notice this was a Clinton group. Having said that, what I said was factual and West and Sanders totally in line with everything King fought for. Bye.
still_one
(92,217 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)with.
The majority of the African American Voters went with Hillary because she's been there for them.. and what does BS do?.. he campaigns with cornel west who has viciously attacked Obama for almost 8 years. Our very popular African American President.
cornel disgraced himself.. and he should not have a seat @ the table.. no way. BS ism beyond tone deaf to list him.
Cha
(297,290 posts)BS lost lot of Voters from the AA community and from me and my friends because he got cw has his surrogate.
Only4RM ??@Only4RM
I knew @BernieSanders wasn't for me when he embraced the now-vulgarized SHELL of @CornelWest as surrogate. @Lawrence pic.twitter.com/Hx6WXWtIjW
Only4RM ??@Only4RM
#BernieLostMe when he decided that Obama-bashing in the vilest terms was the #1 criterion to be a VIP Black surrogate for his campaign.
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sanders completely tone deaf.
sheshe2
(83,788 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Silly me!
Walk away
(9,494 posts)That says it all.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)D.I.S.G.U.S.T.I.N.G.
How can this person be taken seriously? He is no Progressive?
He is in it for the show! Hate Show? Complain Show!
Argh!!!!!
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Suppose I was offered the 5 picks that Bernie gets. What could I accomplish? Absolutely nothing. As Hillary's and Wasserman's representatives total 10 and mine total 5, they can effectively ignore me.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)those who don't contribute. Cornel West isn't a Democrat by any shape of the name.