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riversedge

(70,259 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:03 AM May 2016

" A State Department audit has faulted Hillary Clinton and previous secretaries of state for..."

msnbc talking about this now--it is several past secretaries of state...

I am glad this is getting out now. rather than later. The rage is on....

X-posted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141463878

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:27 AM

NWCorona (5,269 posts)

State Dept. Audit Faults Hillary Clinton in Emails
Source: ABC

A State Department audit has faulted Hillary Clinton and previous secretaries of state
for poorly managing email and other computer information and slowly responding to new cybersecurity risks.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the report by the agency's inspector general Wednesday.

It cites "longstanding, systemic weaknesses" related to communications. These started before Clinton's appointment as secretary of state, but her failures were singled out as more serious.

The review came after revelations Clinton exclusively used a private email account and server while in office. Clinton is now the likely Democratic presidential nominee.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/apnewsbreak-state-dept-audit-faults-clinton-emails-39365621

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" A State Department audit has faulted Hillary Clinton and previous secretaries of state for..." (Original Post) riversedge May 2016 OP
+1. We probably all can be faulted for slowly responding to cyber-security risks. That's technology. Hoyt May 2016 #1
"and previous secretaries of state" liberal N proud May 2016 #2
Hillary's server was never hacked. The State Department was. SunSeeker May 2016 #3
The report was not officially released. Who leaked it to the press? Surely, not Republicans for BlueCaliDem May 2016 #20
Good point. One of the IGs worked for Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). nt SunSeeker May 2016 #23
So...why isn't this being more promoted? Nasty Chuck Grassley is behind this chit and is it any BlueCaliDem May 2016 #24
The WaPo article does mention it, but describes it as a Clinton campaign "accusation": SunSeeker May 2016 #30
IG double-talk. yallerdawg May 2016 #4
Meanwhile, on Salon, they just can't help themselves... SharonClark May 2016 #5
"rules" TwilightZone May 2016 #8
exactly... rules aren't the same as "laws" OKNancy May 2016 #13
"no evidence of hacking" TwilightZone May 2016 #15
the more reading I do of the actual report, the more I am certain this is a temporary ding OKNancy May 2016 #16
Bloomberg was just discussing this with John Heinemann. While Heinemann was trying to put the worst still_one May 2016 #25
Exactly. still_one May 2016 #18
I don't think the 100 copies of that same story in GDP are quite enough. TwilightZone May 2016 #6
Nothing criminal. She broke the same rule that the three SOSs before her did. Walk away May 2016 #7
In another thread, I said that maybe they'll indict Colin Powell TwilightZone May 2016 #9
It will be old news in a week. You can tell because Ashleigh Banfield is... Walk away May 2016 #14
The ironic thing, and the part of all this that I've always found particularly amusing... TwilightZone May 2016 #10
The one thing this email bullshit did reveal ismnotwasm May 2016 #11
Andrea "fucking" Mitchell Loki May 2016 #12
who cares. Ms. Mitchell will be soon forgotten. Hillary Clinton will soon be Madam President still_one May 2016 #27
I'm just going with the flow, until "no crime committed" takes hold. But... LAS14 May 2016 #17
Perhaps we should equip them more efficiently pandr32 May 2016 #19
I will be limiting my exposure to the pollution outside of this group. DU is an embarrassment as a still_one May 2016 #21
So the news cycle is going to be unbearable for 2 to 3 days since it's a negative story involving.. SaschaHM May 2016 #22
Look, she really did make a bad mistake. MBS May 2016 #26
I don't believe it was a mistake at all. YOU might want to make a "mistake" out of whole cloth, but BlueCaliDem May 2016 #28
You missed my point completely. MBS May 2016 #34
Yes, it was a stupid mistake, and the report also pointed out, the state department has been still_one May 2016 #29
I hope you're right that the election will be about issues. MBS May 2016 #32
I just don't understand how anyone can compare Clinton vs. Trump sarae May 2016 #36
I agree with every word. MBS May 2016 #37
It makes me wonder... sarae May 2016 #40
and it isn't just the right. When you have folks like Susan Sarandon and Ralph Nader say how Trump still_one May 2016 #38
ughhhh sarae May 2016 #39
" " " " n/t MBS May 2016 #42
sarae! Perfectly said! am copying and pasting the whole thing! Her Sister May 2016 #43
LOL, thank you! :) sarae May 2016 #44
I agree.. a mistake, but done because the government technology is abysmal OKNancy May 2016 #33
kick!!! still_one May 2016 #35
Here is the problem MBS. Why has this investigation gone on for 9 months? still_one May 2016 #46
Good. complain jane May 2016 #31
+3 sarae May 2016 #41
I keep hearing the talking heads HillareeeHillaraah May 2016 #45
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. +1. We probably all can be faulted for slowly responding to cyber-security risks. That's technology.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
2. "and previous secretaries of state"
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

But they will crucify Hillary for doing what previous Secretaries of State had done.

SunSeeker

(51,579 posts)
3. Hillary's server was never hacked. The State Department was.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

The State Department, starved of funding by Republicans, has been a technological basket case for decades.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
20. The report was not officially released. Who leaked it to the press? Surely, not Republicans for
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

political purposes, right? I mean, they wouldn't try to use this non-issue as a club at this early stage before all the facts are made public to create a narrative and try and damage the winning presidential candidate who just happens to be a Democrat, right?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
24. So...why isn't this being more promoted? Nasty Chuck Grassley is behind this chit and is it any
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

wonder why Hillary Clinton didn't want her e-mails going through State Dept where they've already hacked into?

The thing is, why is Hillary targeted for media crucifixion when she did nothing different than former Secretaries? Why is she singled out? These are the questions the media need to ask, not just parrot the narrative Republicans are feeding to them through leaks - which is nothing but dirty politics.

Yes, I'm aware that politics are dirty, but the media have a responsibility to point this out in context of this leaked, unofficial report. That's where the story really is.

SunSeeker

(51,579 posts)
30. The WaPo article does mention it, but describes it as a Clinton campaign "accusation":
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016
But its release — as well as the conclusion of an ongoing FBI investigation — have also been seen for months by her allies as key milestones to finally putting the email issue to rest. They have worked to inoculate her against potentially critical findings, accusing the State Department’s inspector general of working in concert with congressional Republicans to harm her presidential campaign and noting that a top inspector general official used to work for Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa).


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-dept-inspector-general-report-sharply-criticizes-clintons-email-practices/2016/05/25/fc6f8ebc-2275-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
5. Meanwhile, on Salon, they just can't help themselves...
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

"State Department audit finds Hillary Clinton broke agency rules with private email server
The inspector general report finds Clinton violated federal records rules
by Sophia Tesfaye"

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
8. "rules"
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

Oh, dear, she broke some rules. How will she ever recover from this unspeakable travesty of judgment?



Note: I know I don't really need this for the intended audience, but for the lurkers:

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
13. exactly... rules aren't the same as "laws"
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

and there is not punishment for breaking a rule.

Also, in the report it says no evidence of hacking.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
16. the more reading I do of the actual report, the more I am certain this is a temporary ding
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

She should have handled it differently. She admitted that.
The other Sec. of States should have as well.
The whole State dept. and the government as a whole should have cared more about how to use technology better.

----

I see a lot of people are getting all confused about the different things that are being ginned up about Hillary.
The Freedom of Info lawsuit by the Right-wingers, the FBI review of the security/ and this report.

All different. This report carries no weight legally.

still_one

(92,279 posts)
25. Bloomberg was just discussing this with John Heinemann. While Heinemann was trying to put the worst
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

light forward on this, he also said this does not indicate any criminal activity, and said there will be no indictment.

Also pointed out by Bloomberg, these issues have been going on for a while previously to Clinton.

The DU haters will rant regardless, but when Hillary wins the nomination, and becomes the next president, their hatred will fade into obscurity, as some of them undoubtedly will

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
6. I don't think the 100 copies of that same story in GDP are quite enough.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:27 PM
May 2016

I'm sure they'll add a few more. That'll help.

Once again, they're being willfully ignorant. "An audit found issues" does not equate to "OMG!!! HILLARY IS GOING TO FEDERAL PRISON FOR LIIIIIIIIIIIFE!!!!"

Er, sorry, that might have been a slight exaggeration.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
7. Nothing criminal. She broke the same rule that the three SOSs before her did.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

So this means???? Squat to anyone but the media for a day or so or until something else comes up.

Luckily, this will be old news in a few days and it's lucky to be out two weeks before the last primaries..

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
9. In another thread, I said that maybe they'll indict Colin Powell
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:32 PM
May 2016

One of the responses was that he's also under an FBI investigation.

*sigh*

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
14. It will be old news in a week. You can tell because Ashleigh Banfield is...
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

practically having a cow while anyone she interviews keeps telling her there is no crime involved.

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
10. The ironic thing, and the part of all this that I've always found particularly amusing...
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

is that the data was probably safer in her basement than at State. Nothing was ever safe at State.

ismnotwasm

(41,997 posts)
11. The one thing this email bullshit did reveal
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

Was the crappy on-line infrastructure on the State Department, As well as other areas of government.

Sorry kids, the indictment fairy still isn't real. Neither is the impeachment fairy for you forward thinkers.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
12. Andrea "fucking" Mitchell
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

Absolutely drooling about this. Then in the same breath talking about how diplomats in the field have no secure way to transmit sensitive info to State Dept. I just wish someone would ask her once about her husband Alan Greenspans solution to the foreclosure crisis. Buy back all the houses then burn them down. I see dumb asses everywhere. When will the FBI interview Condi Rice Colin Powell and others. Waiting.

still_one

(92,279 posts)
27. who cares. Ms. Mitchell will be soon forgotten. Hillary Clinton will soon be Madam President
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

and will be making history, and life better for millions of Americans

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
17. I'm just going with the flow, until "no crime committed" takes hold. But...
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

... this is just the State Dept. I didn't know it was underway. Anything else besides the FBI lurking in the wings?

pandr32

(11,594 posts)
19. Perhaps we should equip them more efficiently
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

Give them state-of-the-art smart-phones and computer access so that they can use them securely on the go. I heard that one of the reasons that the office computers are not used so much is that they are notoriously slow and unreliable. Besides, a SOS is moving all the time and needs to keep in touch with key people constantly--a reason they prefer their own phones and use their servers at home when they are there, too.
Maybe things have improved, but I haven't heard.

still_one

(92,279 posts)
21. I will be limiting my exposure to the pollution outside of this group. DU is an embarrassment as a
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

a Democratic site. For a large part of President Obama's term, we have had some of the most disgusting and foul mouthed rants directed at him from some voices here.

Many of those same voices are doing the same thing to Hillary.

As far as I am concerned, Sanders and his campaign are trash.

This is NOT a criminal activity as some would like to portray, and there WILL BE NO INDICTMENT

My feelings toward Sanders and his campaign are identical to my feelings toward Trump and the republicans

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
22. So the news cycle is going to be unbearable for 2 to 3 days since it's a negative story involving..
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

Clinton.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
26. Look, she really did make a bad mistake.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

I say this as someone who voted for HRC in the primary, who fervently wants her to get the Democratic nomination (and, yeah, I also have now developed a strong dislike for Bernie, Jane, and all his campaign staff, and I want Hillary to CREAM him in the upcoming primaries June 7), and who also fervently wants her to win the GE in November.

But, setting up a private email system for State business was just mind-bogglingly stupid.
How I wish that she and/or her staff could have thought this through better.

No, not criminal.
Looks like (thank goodness) no security breaches
And also there certainly was no malicious intent.

But her setup WAS at odds with clear Obama directive on email use and archiving of federal records. And, sorry, that was not OK, and, above all, it was stupid.

And, especially given the memes of "not trustworthy" and "entitlement" that always dog the Clintons (fairly or not), it just amazes me that they didn't think about the political consequences of insistence on setting up a special, private email system. To repeat myself, it was just a really, really stupid move in terms of political fallout. As you can see by the continuing headlines. (plus, it was a lot more work and cost than just using the government system!). To my dying day, I will not understand why either Hillary or any of her associates could have thought that this was a good idea at any point.

This issue is not going to go away away by waving it away as right-wing talking points, or by emphasizing that there was no criminal intent,or there were no security breaches or that "all the previous secretaries of state did it". That's all true, of course but it's not enough, especially for the GE.

Especially for the GE - and even for these last primaries - what Hillary has to do is figure out a way to assure voters that she has learned something from this experience, and will put those lessons to good use in devising an above-board, by-the-book, abuse-proof, high-security system for email and archiving of all records.

A short speech - not defensive, but forward-looking- that lays out her promise to do so, along with the outlines of her general plan to handle her White House correspondence differently - would . to my mind, be essential to her winning this election (and also to getting her administration off to the right start).

(All in fact that she has to do is to continue with Obama's system, with the help of the White House technology czar. she doesn't have to say that exactly, but Obama's system, and especially the rationale behind it, is what she needs).

Again, I say all this because I want her to win.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
28. I don't believe it was a mistake at all. YOU might want to make a "mistake" out of whole cloth, but
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

fact remains, after Snowden's hacking of the State Dept and selling the info to the highest bidder, she did the right thing.

Again, these were RULES, not laws, and every Congresscritter knew she was corresponding via her private account because the e-mail address told them so. So why is this such a big brouhaha now? Possibly for political gain for Repubs?

Again, this report was LEAKED to the press (so much for security) by her political enemies to smear her.

Again, one of the Inspector Generals worked for nasty RW-Chuck Grassley, showing clear political intent.

Again, she did nothing different than former SoS but for some reason she's being treated differently. Hm.

We can excoriate her for following what former SoS's have done and make a mountain out of a molehill, but she did the correct and safe thing. She protected the integrity of secrecy at the State Dept - the very Dept that Snowden easily hacked into and sold information to the highest anti-American bidder for protection.

Her supporters will see this for what it is: Republicans' attempt to gain politically.

still_one

(92,279 posts)
29. Yes, it was a stupid mistake, and the report also pointed out, the state department has been
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

having lax security issues for quite some time.

Hillary has already come out and admitted she made a mistake, and she will not run away from that mistake, but she will move forward

Those who will not vote for her because of this, would never have voted for her anyway.

In the end, this election will be about the issues:

jobs
civil rights
environment
foreign policy
protecting social security and medicare
health care
immigration
etc.



MBS

(9,688 posts)
32. I hope you're right that the election will be about issues.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:37 PM
May 2016

Way too important a moment in our history to be about anything else.
But my confidence in the American electorate right now is shaky at best.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
36. I just don't understand how anyone can compare Clinton vs. Trump
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

and conclude that this mistake of hers truly makes her less qualified to be president. Am I taking crazy pills?

Maybe it's my perspective, but when I look at them both I see a morally bankrupt, narcissistic, psychotic & paranoid bigot* vs. a highly intelligent, over-qualified, incredibly capable woman. This "mistake" of hers isn't even worth mentioning when you compare it to the fact that Donald Trump's whole pathetic life is a mistake. He's the most repulsive human I've ever seen; that there are people out there hoping he's our next president is truly mind-boggling.

Are the American people really so stupid/sexist/gullible that they can't see that?? God, I hope not, because if so that says a lot of really disturbing things about this country.

*I didn't have room for everything, so let me just add here that he's also a moron who probably knows a total of 100 English words, despite his assurances that he, "has the best words."

still_one

(92,279 posts)
38. and it isn't just the right. When you have folks like Susan Sarandon and Ralph Nader say how Trump
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

is actually a "good thing", they have lost their f*ing minds

sarae

(3,284 posts)
39. ughhhh
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

Don't get me started on Susan Sarandon! This election season has ruined several actors/actresses/filmmakers for me (Rosario Dawson...Mark Ruffalo...even Michael Moore!). What a year it's been (and it's not even June yet)!

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
43. sarae! Perfectly said! am copying and pasting the whole thing!
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016
I just don't understand how anyone can compare Clinton vs. Trump
and conclude that this mistake of hers truly makes her less qualified to be president.
Am I taking crazy pills?

Maybe it's my perspective, but when I look at them both I see a morally bankrupt, narcissistic, psychotic & paranoid bigot* vs. a highly intelligent, over-qualified, incredibly capable woman. This "mistake" of hers isn't even worth mentioning when you compare it to the fact that Donald Trump's whole pathetic life is a mistake. He's the most repulsive human I've ever seen; that there are people out there hoping he's our next president is truly mind-boggling.

Are the American people really so stupid/sexist/gullible that they can't see that?? God, I hope not, because if so that says a lot of really disturbing things about this country.

*I didn't have room for everything, so let me just add here that he's also a moron who probably knows a total of 100 English words, despite his assurances that he, "has the best words."


Do say more and expand!

PERFECT!

sarae

(3,284 posts)
44. LOL, thank you! :)
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:44 AM
May 2016

I promise I'll expand more on this soon. There is no bottom to my well of hatred for Trump.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
33. I agree.. a mistake, but done because the government technology is abysmal
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

I agree also with her need to use this as a positive point...

still_one

(92,279 posts)
46. Here is the problem MBS. Why has this investigation gone on for 9 months?
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:14 AM
May 2016

Is someone dragging their feet in the hopes that they can politically damage Hillary by delaying, or is there another reason.

As long as this investigation is open by the FBI, Hillary will not be able to say very much, and they know it. The drawn out investigation really smells of political involvement

complain jane

(4,302 posts)
31. Good.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:28 PM
May 2016

Shows that this was a puffed up bunch of bullshit from the start.

I'll take a sketchy email server over a four-times bankrupt, outsourcing, job-killing, tax dodging, empty headed buffoon any day.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
41. +3
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

Right? There's no comparison. It's like deciding whether you'd rather have filet mignon or dog poop.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
45. I keep hearing the talking heads
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:16 AM
May 2016

Tsk, tsking saying it speaks to her judgement capabilities....yet they never finish the sentence with their obvious intent: so you should vote for Trump.

That sentence too quickly points out the absurdity of this rabbit hole they're digging ~

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