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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:49 AM May 2016

That new CA poll from PPIC might be an outlier.

Project 538 has a polling average of 55/38, with Hillary trending upward, updated yesterday.

They're forecasting a rather optimistic (in my opinion) 62/36.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/california-democratic/

PPIC shows it at 46/44 Clinton. However:

"The poll was conducted over a relatively long period of time — May 13-22 — and surveyed 552 likely Democratic primary voters. The margin of error is plus or minus 5.7 percentage points.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/poll-clinton-and-sanders-in-dead-heat-in-california-223580

It looks like an outlier, though it's hard to tell. It was also taken over 10 days, which is somewhat unusual.

Edit: the math also looks a little shaky: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107145478#post7

SurveyUSA has it 57/38, taken 5/19-5/22, the later part of the same time frame.

http://abc7.com/politics/poll-clinton-poised-to-defeat-sanders-in-california-primary/1351808/

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That new CA poll from PPIC might be an outlier. (Original Post) TwilightZone May 2016 OP
RCP shows an average of 50.0/42.0 from 4/7 - 5/22. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #1
Yeah, that includes this poll, but the only two they have this month are this one and the SUSA. TwilightZone May 2016 #3
Hope so ismnotwasm May 2016 #2
The numbers make no sense: CrowCityDem May 2016 #4
290 White, 134 Latino, 125 Other, 549 Total. TwilightZone May 2016 #7
Exactly. If Asian Americans are the only ethnic group Bernie is winning, it can't be a 2 point race. CrowCityDem May 2016 #8
WTF? wryter2000 May 2016 #11
Everyone except whites and Latinos is in "other" TwilightZone May 2016 #15
Mark my words, he ain't winning asians taught_me_patience May 2016 #18
Yep, poll from two days ago.... TwilightZone May 2016 #19
Link to the poll data: TwilightZone May 2016 #5
tell you the truth, california really doesn't matter as hillary has the nomination beachbum bob May 2016 #6
True, but wryter2000 May 2016 #9
My thought, as well TwilightZone May 2016 #10
really nothing will shut the sanders followers up....we will have playing for next 8 yrs beachbum bob May 2016 #13
The poll to watch for California is the Field Poll WI_DEM May 2016 #12
Field had it 47/41, but that was six weeks ago. TwilightZone May 2016 #17
Has to be an outlier. California isn't that dumb. nt BootinUp May 2016 #14
I'll go along with that. TwilightZone May 2016 #16
Those cross-tabs don't add up, at all. geek tragedy May 2016 #20
Agreed. Some of them work. Some of them are way off. TwilightZone May 2016 #21
Also, Trump within 10% in California in the general electon? geek tragedy May 2016 #22
Agreed. TwilightZone May 2016 #23

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
3. Yeah, that includes this poll, but the only two they have this month are this one and the SUSA.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

538 doesn't have this one listed yet. It'll be interesting to see if their forecast changes later today.

Just a little nervous that there isn't much data and what's available is all over the place.

It shouldn't matter after NJ, but a clear CA win by Hillary would help shut down some of the nonsense.

ismnotwasm

(41,986 posts)
2. Hope so
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

I love to see a California win by a comfortable margin, but even a close loss isn't going to change a thing.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
4. The numbers make no sense:
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

The poll has Hillary up 6 with whites, 9 with Hispanics, and presumably even more with African Americans. There is no way anyone who isn't inept at math can look at those numbers and say the total margin is far less than with any of those groups, since they combine to make up the vast majority of Californians.

Either that poll's data or conclusions are pure garbage.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
7. 290 White, 134 Latino, 125 Other, 549 Total.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

Whites: 47/41 Hillary
Latinos: 52/43 Hillary

"Other" would have to be heavily Sanders to get to 46/44 overall, probably at least 60/40.

Unless I'm missing something, I can't find where "Other" is listed or broken down. Presumably, it's mostly African Americans and Asian Americans, plus a few percentage points for various others considering the demographics in CA. African Americans are presumably going to be heavily Hillary, so Asian Americans and the others would have to be something like 80/20 Sanders for the math to work.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
15. Everyone except whites and Latinos is in "other"
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:00 AM
May 2016

Last edited Thu May 26, 2016, 11:00 AM - Edit history (1)

I think it's mostly for space purposes on the survey report, though they usually have them broken down somewhere. As of 2014, whites and Latinos were a little under 80% of the population. Asians were around 13%; AA were 6% or so.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/24/in-2014-latinos-will-surpass-whites-as-largest-racialethnic-group-in-california/

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
18. Mark my words, he ain't winning asians
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

Hillary is in the wheelhouse for Asians. Asians love Obama and like Hillary.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
19. Yep, poll from two days ago....
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016
http://time.com/4346730/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-asian-american-poll/

Favorables:

Clinton: 62%
Sanders: 48%

Granted, that's more than just CA, but considering how Sanders did in HI, CA must be pro-Clinton.

This (the PPIC) is one screwy poll.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
6. tell you the truth, california really doesn't matter as hillary has the nomination
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

win, lose...she has the delegate and popular vote leads that can't be overcome

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
9. True, but
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:47 AM
May 2016

If Sanders were to win CA, his bots would never shut up. I'd rather see wins, huge if possible, in both NJ and CA to crush their delusions. Sanders needs to come out strongly for Hillary before the convention.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
10. My thought, as well
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

A comfortable win in CA would help shut down the nonsense and make it easier for Sanders to pack it in.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
13. really nothing will shut the sanders followers up....we will have playing for next 8 yrs
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

zealots don't go away quietly I am afraid

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
12. The poll to watch for California is the Field Poll
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:54 AM
May 2016

which is the respected poll (like that of the Selzer organization for the Des Moines Register in Iowa) of the state.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
17. Field had it 47/41, but that was six weeks ago.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

They also oversampled women a bit, 56/44.

Hopefully, they'll do another one before the primary. Today would be nice. haha

Link, just because: http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2531.pdf

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. Those cross-tabs don't add up, at all.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

Let's take a couple:

College Grad vs less than College:

Sanders is +8% amongst the less educated segment (243) while Clinton is +19% amongst the more educated segment (303)

.08*243=19
.19*303=57

57-19=38

38/549 (total respondents per survey)=7%

Or, let's take home owners vs renters:

Sanders leads amongst renters by 20% (174 respondents) while Clinton leads amongst homeowners (359) by 17%

.2*174=35
.17*359=61

61-35=26 (which doesn't tie out to the education breakdown)

Still, 26/549=5%

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
21. Agreed. Some of them work. Some of them are way off.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

Household income looks like it's pretty much right on. College/non-college, right next to it, is 5 points off. Odd.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. Also, Trump within 10% in California in the general electon?
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

Basically split for 55+, with Trump winning white voters?

Trump winning men by 10%?

no.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
23. Agreed.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

Can't tell which are right and which are wrong or which ones were used in calculating the 46/44, so looks like we'll just wait for a better one to be released. Field should be along before too long.

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