Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumNo, Hillary Clinton is not spiraling downward: (HILLARY GROUP)
Theres no question which is the more interesting and dynamic primary campaign right now, which inevitably leads reporters covering the other one to search for something new to write about. And in a race where theres an obvious (if not quite certain) nominee, there will always come a point at which the press will decide that that candidate is spiraling downward, the cloak of inevitability is torn and tattered, the campaign is in crisis, the whispering from party loyalists is growing louder, and the scramble is on to find an alternative before the fall occurs.
This is the moment we have come to with Hillary Clinton.
First there was the fevered speculation about Vice President Biden running against her, based on second-hand reports that Biden has had conversations about the possibility of running. Im sure that Biden thinks about being president about as often as he brushes his teeth, but that doesnt mean theres an actual candidacy in the offing....
If you look over the long term at Clintons favorability ratings, you do see a drop, but its not a huge one, and not the kind of precipitous decline youd associate with a campaign in free fall. Her favorability is down substantially from when she was Secretary of State, but thats a natural consequence of her becoming a partisan political figure again. A year ago her favorability was just under 50 percent, and now its around 41 or 42 not what shed like, surely, but hardly a crisis. As a point of comparison, at this time four years ago, Barack Obamas job approval was in exactly the same place, 42 percent. You may recall who won the 2012 election....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/08/17/no-hillary-clinton-is-not-spiraling-downward/ via Washington Post
William769
(55,147 posts)& innuendos in the media. One thing is for sure it's pure propaganda.
You would think after 20+ years of people doing this to Hillary that they would have learned their lesson by now but as the old saying goes "stupid is as stupid does". I love seeing them waste what little money they have on these failed tactics.
When yo have nothing good to put forward on your candidate, you have no choice but to attack the candidate that is wiping the floor with him.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
George II
(67,782 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)But for me it's gnats. not troublesome, just annoying.
okasha
(11,573 posts)that saw "mosquitoes.". Annoying little beggars.
George II
(67,782 posts)...showed Sanders went up a few points and at the SAME time Clinton went up one or two!
Tough to catch someone who is above 50% and STILL rising.
So much for the "downward spiral".
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)The bern slipped from his high of 33% to 30.
I still say his ceiling in national polls will be around 33-35% only.
That's what I took away from the latest national poll.
riversedge
(70,246 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)riversedge
(70,246 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Her campaign is lousy. When pushed, she picks up some more pragmatic, even liberal ideas, but talk to people on the street, and they are not impressed.
George II
(67,782 posts)As are almost 60% of those being polled.
William769
(55,147 posts)Pot meet kettle.
Cha
(297,325 posts)it isn't so doesn't make it true.
Her campaign isn't the one that's "lousy". Hers is Brilliant!
okasha
(11,573 posts)with people who violate safe havens.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)And a horse race. They don't care about anything else. How else could they take any of the R candidates seriously?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)racking up key endorsements, so how the hell is she "spiraling downward"? I'm assuming they intend to repeat it over & over & over again until they make it true? She's not going to receive a lot of a positive press, that's a given, but where's the negative stuff on her primary opponents?
George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(83,793 posts)Kath1
(4,309 posts)Looks to me like she is kicking ass!
oasis
(49,393 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...
Clinton 42/48
Sanders 36/33
Clinton's is slightly negative and Sanders is even slighter positive. No huge differences for either one.
On the other hand, we're constantly reminded "nobody knows anything about Sanders yet", explaining his low poll ratings. Same too for his favorability / unfavorability. A few weeks ago his unfavorability was in the low 20s, apparently as people get to know him, like everyone else whose F / U ratings are polled, his UNfavorability rating is going up.
Actually, to have an unfavorability rating of 33% (one third of all polled) and being a relative unknown, tells us a quite a bit. For Clinton, 53% (48/90) of those with an opinion have an unfavorable opinion, yet for the "unknown" Sanders 48% of those with an opinion (33/69) have an unfavorable one.
Finally, remember that Clinton has been in the national public eye since around 1990, lots of time for the right wing attack machine, Fox News, Karl Rove, et. al. to attack her. On the other hand, Sanders has been in the national public eye for only a few months.
BUT, the bottom line is that in the REAL polls, in which those polled indicate their voting preference, Clinton is still leading nationally by a margin of about 3 to 1, and in just about every state polled other than Sander's neighboring New Hampshire, by margins ranging from about 2-1 all the way up to the swing state of Florida at about 10-1 (78-8!)