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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:16 PM Jul 2016

Bernie's on board, folks,

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders today welcomed a proposal by Secretary Hillary Clinton which combines the best features of plans that she and Sanders brought forth during the campaign to make higher education affordable for all and substantially reduces student debt.

“As I’ve traveled throughout the country during this campaign, I have heard over and over again from young people and their parents what the high cost of college and student debt is doing to their lives. For some, it means not being able to go to college at all, and that’s the case for hundreds of thousands of high school graduates.

“These are young people who will find it harder to make it into the middle class and fulfill their dreams. For others, it means graduating school deeply in debt, and being forced to pay off that debt year after year after year. And that may mean not being able to buy a home, get married or have kids.

“I want to take this opportunity to applaud Secretary Clinton for the very bold initiative she has just brought forth today for the financing of higher education. This proposal combines some of the strongest ideas she fought for during the campaign with some of the principles that I fought for. The final product is a result of the work of both campaigns.

“Let me be very clear. This proposal, when implemented, will revolutionize the funding of higher education in America, improve the economic future of our country and make life immediately better for tens of millions of people stuck with high levels of student debt.

“This proposed legislation will provide free tuition at public colleges and universities for all families in America earning $125,000 a year or less – 83 percent of our families.

“In other words, the dream of higher education in America will become a reality for all, regardless of the income of one’s family. This proposal will also provide very substantial relief for students and families carrying student debt.

“In the year 2016, we should be encouraging our people to get the best education they can, not punishing them.

“Our goal should be to have the best educated country in the world. In a highly-competitive global economy, it is insane that hundreds of thousands of bright young people are unable to afford the high cost of college and millions more leave school deeply in debt.

I thank Secretary Clinton for introducing this proposal which, in my view, will have a profound impact on the future of our country.”


https://berniesanders.com/press-release/revolutionary-step-forward-higher-education/

This isn't how a person determined to cause trouble talks. He's not going to be a problem for us.

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Bernie's on board, folks, (Original Post) geek tragedy Jul 2016 OP
Unless it becomes... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #1
I think it's pretty straightforward, they managed to combine the stronger elements geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3
Imo the problem isnt giving puffy socks Jul 2016 #9
I'm not going to say there isn't some irritation, etc. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #10
If its just minor irritation puffy socks Jul 2016 #12
he's moving in the right direction. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #13
Radical leftists are reckless Cary Jul 2016 #11
Myopic, binary thought processes. Inflexibility. Zealotry. It's a dangerous mix. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #28
That was my first impression ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #5
I agree ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #2
if they believe their efforts on his behalf are geek tragedy Jul 2016 #4
Exactly ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #6
yeah, I'm in the same boat, but as we like to tell the Sanders supporters geek tragedy Jul 2016 #8
I have no faith left. I'll believe it when he concedes and endorses. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #7
Second. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #14
Him AND his non-Democrat supporters. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #15
Exactly.. I'll think he's "on board" If he actually is. Cha Jul 2016 #22
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #25
I've had to just let Bernie go radical noodle Jul 2016 #16
+1 BainsBane Jul 2016 #18
I wouldn't be so sure BainsBane Jul 2016 #17
this is the first time I've seen him actually 'getting there' nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
well, some are late bloomers. riversedge Jul 2016 #30
It's a shakedown n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #20
Only 19 more issues left CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #21
+1.. Cha Jul 2016 #23
Hillary did not think children of those in the upper income levels should not get the same Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #24
Especially since they'd typically do better in the admissions process nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #26
Yes, that is why my response will now be, "Good for Clinton, being able to fix Bernie's idea and BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #27
She could fix anyones ideas! Her Sister Jul 2016 #29

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. Unless it becomes...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jul 2016

"This is working. Let's see what else we can get!"

He skipped the part where he campaigned "for all" which included "Trump's children" as Hillary pointed out.

Seems like he is claiming her position all along as his?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. I think it's pretty straightforward, they managed to combine the stronger elements
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jul 2016

between the two plans. Her limiting the degree to which the benefits of zero tuition would disproportionately flow to affluent households is a big upgrade to his plan. She's also got a better way of paying for things.

To be candid, I don't really care if he wants to claim an ownership stake in all of her proposals--that'll give his most dedicated supporters a feeling that they're invested in her campaign.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
9. Imo the problem isnt giving
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders some "ownership"
its they way he has gone about it, the way his supporters pretend to be more enlightened than all the other Dems and want to call the shots
Also, giving in to Bernies demands encourages and sets a precedent to future candidates who have lost and who may be further right. Would these supporters be singing the same tune in that scenario?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. I'm not going to say there isn't some irritation, etc.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

but, I'll take some minor irritation if it gets them out canvassing, phonebanking, and donating.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
12. If its just minor irritation
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

If the recent past is any indication, this will backfire in the Dems face just as allowing him to run as a Dem has.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
11. Radical leftists are reckless
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jul 2016

No need for me to elaborate here. I'd much prefer to win without them. They have potential to drag us all down.

ismnotwasm

(42,007 posts)
5. That was my first impression
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jul 2016

I am currently rethinking this. He has a large, angry group of people. In order for them to stay engaged, he has to give them something. I don't care if he and Hillary work together for the good of the country, and I think Hillary can manage the situation. I do fault him for letting it go into crazy land, we shall see,

ismnotwasm

(42,007 posts)
2. I agree
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:28 PM
Jul 2016

He does has a large, ill-informed group of people who have bought into every conceivable CT about Hillary, If he wants to empower his true, "normal" base, he needs to weed out the wingnuts somehow, and give them a chance to shine--especially the youth vote.

I'm coming to believe he understands this, nothing I've read about him says he's stupid. If a slow embrace works best for this then that's what it is. A lot of people really love that guy--just because I personally don't understand it doesn't make their love less real.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. if they believe their efforts on his behalf are
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jul 2016

resulting in meaningful advances under candidate Clinton, they'll be much more likely to work their butts off for her so they can realize those goals under President Clinton.

ismnotwasm

(42,007 posts)
6. Exactly
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jul 2016

As irritated as I've been throughout the primaries, they are over--Its time, for me anyway to emotionally disengage. Sanders working with Hillary in certain areas is not a bad plan. She's still the boss.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. yeah, I'm in the same boat, but as we like to tell the Sanders supporters
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jul 2016

this isn't about our feelings.

Not that I agree with every decision he's made or will make, but wevs.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
7. I have no faith left. I'll believe it when he concedes and endorses.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jul 2016

Until then, if he's still fighting the primary, I'm still opposing him.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
14. Second.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jul 2016

The longer he stays him, the less I trust him and the more I think he's going to screw us.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
16. I've had to just let Bernie go
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jul 2016

Thanks for finding this, it's a good start in the right direction. I hope you're right about him getting on board, but if he never endorses, it is what it is. I'm done with the special snowflakes. We can't allow the Dems to go the way the GOP has gone with the Teapers.



BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
17. I wouldn't be so sure
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

I just read two articles suggesting very different responses. He may be throwing Democrats a bone here.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
24. Hillary did not think children of those in the upper income levels should not get the same
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

assistance as those of lower incomes. Good thinking.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
27. Yes, that is why my response will now be, "Good for Clinton, being able to fix Bernie's idea and
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jul 2016

make it realistic." Because that's literally what happened.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
29. She could fix anyones ideas!
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jul 2016

My impression of her is that she just has the Know-how ! Solutions, Big picture and detail oriented. Great brain, that one!

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