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DeepModem Mom

(38,402 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:24 PM Sep 2015

Republicans are blaming Hillary Clinton for the ‘birther’ movement. That’s wishful thinking. (HRC)

HILLARY SUPPORTERS GROUP post:

Donald Trump no longer wants to be America's birther-in-chief. In a Monday interview with Fox News — which might have been his last — Trump said that questions about President Obama's citizenship "began" with Hillary Clinton, "when she was running against him." On Wednesday, at a rally in South Carolina, Trump emphasized that Clinton was "the original birther" and "the one who started that whole thing."

This was not Trump's first dabble with birther revisionism. At CPAC this winter, he insisted to Fox News host Sean Hannity that he was not the first birth certificate sleuth — only the most successful. "Hillary Clinton wanted his birth certificate," Trump said. "Hillary is a birther. She wanted it, but she was unable to get it."

And more and more conservatives have settled on the Trump line — that the questions about Obama's citizenship were so slimy that they obviously came from the Clinton camp. "The whole birther thing was started by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008 against Barack Obama," Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) confidently told Yahoo News this summer.

The problem: This is simply not true. Clinton's campaign, one of the most thoroughly dissected in modern history, never raised questions about the future president's citizenship. The idea that it did is based largely on a series of disconnected actions by supporters of Clinton, mostly in the months between Obama's reaction to the Jeremiah Wright story and the Democratic National Convention. I know, because I spent/wasted quite a lot of time covering this stuff....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/23/republicans-are-blaming-hillary-clinton-for-the-birther-movement-thats-wishful-thinking/?postshare=5731443039553669 via Washington Post

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Republicans are blaming Hillary Clinton for the ‘birther’ movement. That’s wishful thinking. (HRC) (Original Post) DeepModem Mom Sep 2015 OP
The GOP speweth, DU laps it up. leftofcool Sep 2015 #1
Sad, but true. nt brer cat Sep 2015 #3
That asswipe Trump workinclasszero Sep 2015 #2
That Birther Trump's racist and entirely insane party is taken seriously on anything is insane. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #4
I can't imagine how the rest of the world workinclasszero Sep 2015 #5
This is a way of deflecting from the crazies who make up the GOP base Gothmog Sep 2015 #6
Ha! Bernie Sanders Supporters are doing the same! Walk away Sep 2015 #7
I wish I had a nickel for every conspiracy surrounding HRC. I'd be richer than Donald Trump. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #8
You wanna know how Birtherism really started? COMALite J Nov 2015 #9

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. That Birther Trump's racist and entirely insane party is taken seriously on anything is insane.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:33 PM
Sep 2015

Not to mention the Birther Party's insane media being quoted with approval by anyone is beyond insanity, it reeks of desperation, which is a form of insanity itself.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. I can't imagine how the rest of the world
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:38 PM
Sep 2015

sees the united states when an idiot fucking loon like Trump has a shot at becoming President!?

Probably a mixture of hilarity and fear.

COMALite J

(2 posts)
9. You wanna know how Birtherism really started?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:32 AM
Nov 2015

(From an article by yours truly posted on January 11, 2014 on the now sadly late and lamented SodaHead, itself basically a simplification of the outstanding “Birth of a Notion” blog by Loren Collins):

Note that all of this happened about ½ of a year before Philip J. Berg (who claimed to be a “Hillary supporter” but was in no way connected to her campaign) filed the very first Birther lawsuit on August 21, 2008:

• On Feb. 28, 2008, UCLA Law Prof. Eugene Volokh, of the famous eponymous blog The Volokh Conspiracy, posted a short rebuttal to rumors that John McCain was ineligible to be President. In a comment to that blog entry, a commenter named “Dave N.” posted a comment in which, as an analogy, he suggested a hypothetical scenario involving Barack Obama instead. His exact words:

Let’s change the hypothetical (just for grins and giggles).
Barack Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya. What would Senator Obama’s citizenship status (and Presidential eligibility) be if:

1) He had been born in Kenya, but taken by his mother to the United States immediately after birth and then spent the rest of his life as he has subsequently lived it?

2) He was born in a third country, and like my first hypothetical, immediately taken to the United States? Does that change the analysis?

3) Would these results change if Senator Obama had been raised in a foreign country for any length of time before his mother returned with him to the United States?

• Almost exactly 24 hours after “Dave N.” posted that comment on The Volokh Conspiracy, FreeRepublic·com user “FARSposted this off-topic comment as Comment #319 on the Freeper thread, “Pin the Middle Name on the Obama” (about suggesting humorous alternative middle names for the then-new Democratic Party Primary candidate for President):
I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.
Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely (sic) disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket (sic). While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems — except accept the VP.

Immediately (as in, starting in the very next post!), other FreeRepublic posters lambasted FARS for posting such wild rumors based on nothing more than, “I was told today that…” Note that he used wording very similar to what “Dave N.” had used in his hypothetical scenario analogy the previous day! In just one day, it has graduated from a hypothetical scenario posted as an analogy “just for grins and giggles” into a rumor that “FARS” claims that someone told him that day.

• Just four days later, vehement anti-Muslim fantasist “Alan Peters” (a pseudonym) posted this entry on his eponymous Alan Peters’s Ruthless Roundup blog. In it, he lifts the concepts expressed in FARS’s rumour-mongering Freeper post from four days previously, worded very similarly, without credit. This blog entry is, as far as either Collins or I can determine, the very first appearance in writing of the full Birther hypothesis as an actual assertion, not a mere rumor (Collins suspects that “Alan Peters” either knows “FARS” personally, or “Alan Peters” = “FARS”). It was from here that the Birther movement really took off. Collins traces it further in Part Two of his blog.

The entire Birther movement can be traced to this blog post, which in turn apparently plagiarized an off-topic FreeRepublic comment posted as a rumor, itself apparently plagiarized from a hypothetical scenario posted as an analogy to a post about McCain’s Natural Born Citizenship!

And that is how Birtherism started.
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