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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:07 PM Dec 2015

The left’s absurd Hillary hate: Why this ridiculous anti-Clinton crusade needs to stop (HRC GROUP)

Written by a Sanders supporter


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/05/the_ridiculous_left_wing_crusade_against_hillary_clinton_needs_to_stop/

The media coverage of Hillary Clinton is a lesson in paradox: She’s the “most admired woman” in America, but no one is “excited” about her presidential campaign. She’s inevitable, but she can’t win an election. And even when she wins a debate, she still lost it.

This might seem like an indication of what we already know — that the former secretary of state is an extremely polarizing candidate, whose very name is treated as a curse word or a reason to break out the Holy Water during the Republican presidential debates. The New York Times’ Mark Leibovitch wrote earlier this year that “divisive” has become almost associated with her very name: “Clinton has worn the polarizing badge more than any other politician since the word came into its unfortunate vogue.” But as Leibovitch argued, Hillary’s status as a divider is less a product of her politics than our own.

Leibovitch compared the phenomenon to “Bush derangement syndrome,” a term coined by Charles Krauthammer to describe “the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay —t he very existence of George W. Bush.” But while the adverse reaction to Bush often bordered on hysteria, Krauthammer’s phrase comes from 2003 — when America was becoming deeply entrenched in a costly war that it became clear was founded on a myth. If Saddam Hussein was not involved in September 11, as Bush later admitted, the opposition to Dubya was less derangement than a deep sense of betrayal.

The biggest difference here is that before Krauthammer labeled Bush’s critics deranged, George W. already had three years of policies behind him. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, hasn’t been in the Oval Office a single day, and her presidency is already being treated by some as an unmitigated disaster. What’s more, even members of her own party are getting in on the action. In a recent column for Salon, self-avowed millennial progressive Walter Bragman suggests that Clinton isn’t just a bad candidate — she’s a threat to the future of the Democratic party itself — and compares her to the second coming of Reagan, a corrosive force that will destroy the foundation’s of American progressivism.

We’ve clearly moved past derangement. This is the time of full-on Hillary hysteria.

Much more at the link... much of which I'm sure readers will be familiar

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The left’s absurd Hillary hate: Why this ridiculous anti-Clinton crusade needs to stop (HRC GROUP) (Original Post) OKNancy Dec 2015 OP
last paragraph OKNancy Dec 2015 #1
Ouch GusBob Dec 2015 #7
Whips it good, I'd say..... MADem Dec 2015 #27
Your mask is crooked angrychair Dec 2015 #49
thanks. Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #54
You BS supports always try to smear the Messenger.. everyone who endorses Hillary or calls for the Cha Dec 2015 #62
didn't realize the group, just acknowledging a post Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #72
Yeah, well the writer isn't wearing a "mask" so it can't be "crooked". Cha Dec 2015 #85
OKNancy is quoting the author, not telling you she supports Sanders. spooky3 Dec 2015 #55
I did angrychair Dec 2015 #56
The article was written by a Sanders supporter. It says so clearly in the article OKNancy Dec 2015 #58
You absolutely make no sense there. n/t fleabiscuit Dec 2015 #81
You BS supports always try to smear the Messenger.. everyone who endorses Hillary or calls for the Cha Dec 2015 #61
I am a proud Democrat. Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #2
I could really do without the socialist tag myself GusBob Dec 2015 #8
Not all progressives are liberals, OR Democrats. Or "anti-war." MADem Dec 2015 #29
Why Sanders is running at all? Regardless of the answer, his campaign serves an important purpose. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #3
Well, the reverse is true, too. MADem Dec 2015 #32
+1 Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #47
Buzz Clik in my opinion signals the purpose of this thread. Whining roguevalley Dec 2015 #37
Right on! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #40
Why are you posting this in the HRC room? murielm99 Dec 2015 #41
Lets see here... OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #48
"Whining about Hillary hate." Nope. I totally acknowledge that it exists, and I know why. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #50
"We’ve clearly moved past derangement. This is the time of full-on Hillary hysteria." Hate all you Cha Dec 2015 #66
You don't see the irony... MrWendel Dec 2015 #79
K & R Iliyah Dec 2015 #4
From the article William769 Dec 2015 #5
Yep. And if I am not mistaken, DU is mostly white and male. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #11
So is... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #15
Indeed. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #31
Sad but true, yallerdawg. Sad but true. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #45
Yes, mostly white and male. murielm99 Dec 2015 #43
I'm not sure I know where you're coming from, but there was this too.... Fla Dem Dec 2015 #17
I think that quite a few of them LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #39
I have the good fortune of being married to a man who thinks women are as, or more capable than men. Laser102 Dec 2015 #46
And let's not kid ourselves, it's not the "left" where the hate is comming from. nt William769 Dec 2015 #6
I think we have more than a few left posers who hang around these parts. MADem Dec 2015 #34
Democrats hate it when they get pressure from their left wing. Too bad. phantom power Dec 2015 #9
The Left is a school of fish LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #25
I like that. n/t fleabiscuit Dec 2015 #80
We're not talking about "pressure" here.. it's full blown "Hysteria". Own it and stop it. Cha Dec 2015 #68
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2015 #10
I don't see this maindawg Dec 2015 #12
Thanks Bernie!! lobodons Dec 2015 #13
I've posted this before SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #14
I think he'd make a fine Secretary of Labor, actually. Team of Rivals, and all that. nt MADem Dec 2015 #36
Agree SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #52
I think he'd prefer the labor portfolio, but you never know. MADem Dec 2015 #53
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Boomer Dec 2015 #16
+1,000 !!! CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #28
Whatever.. the Hillary Hysteria is here whether you deny it or not. Cha Dec 2015 #77
You "get over it". The Hillary Hysteria is here whether you talk about "cigars" or not. Cha Dec 2015 #76
0-7 Leave it - jury results spooky3 Dec 2015 #18
You beat me to it. Bobbie Jo Dec 2015 #20
I'm with juror #4. nt navarth Dec 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #26
No doubt. leftofcool Dec 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #35
Yeah, they don't like it when Hill fans go in there but they jump in our group head first. Cha Dec 2015 #78
I can't believe someone alerted on a SALON article. In a PROTECTED GROUP. MADem Dec 2015 #38
Oh I can.. the alert stalkers are behind every post. Cha Dec 2015 #69
Thanks. I've never had a hide in my 14 years here. OKNancy Dec 2015 #57
I can show you how it's done. William769 Dec 2015 #59
I am a master of self-control OKNancy Dec 2015 #63
I sure could use some lessons from you. William769 Dec 2015 #64
In your case... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #73
HAHA..Oh BOO HOO.. Alerter.. this is for you.. Cha Dec 2015 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Dec 2015 #19
Great article - tells it like it is MaggieD Dec 2015 #21
Hate is absurd. Honest criticism is not. navarth Dec 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #24
Personally, I don't hate Mrs. Clinton at all. I simply don't feel that she ladjf Dec 2015 #33
Whatever. Hillary is the most qualified and she's going to make an excellent President. Cha Dec 2015 #70
Letting the perfect be the enemy of the good JackHughes Dec 2015 #42
Pu......lease. This guy is a "concern troll" of the highest order. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #44
I don't care how you try to smear him.. I've seen this "We’ve clearly moved past derangement. Cha Dec 2015 #60
+1. William769 Dec 2015 #65
Hysteria is perfect. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #71
LMFAO! n/t fleabiscuit Dec 2015 #82
I have found over the years bluestateguy Dec 2015 #74
I found the similiar unfavorable rates of Clinton and Obama among white men interesting. betsuni Dec 2015 #75
Don't forget that disagreement with them may also be called racist. fleabiscuit Dec 2015 #83
Yes, that knee never fails to jerk. betsuni Dec 2015 #84
They don't mention the paid GOP trolls who build up applegrove Dec 2015 #86
"There are many reasons to be wary of Clinton, but a subset of Democrats seem to be motivated by Cha Dec 2015 #87

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
1. last paragraph
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:09 PM
Dec 2015

As much as I would like to see Bernie Sanders become the next Democratic nominee, it does us absolutely no favors to let Hillary hysteria win the day. The response from many among Sanders’ white male voter base to Hillary Clinton’s continued success in the polls is to refuse to vote for her in the general election, as if the only thing worse than a Republican presidency is four years of another Clinton. But instead of folding our arms like a pack of third graders who have been told recess is cancelled, Sanders supporters should hold Hillary Clinton accountable to the right things, instead of quibbling about how much we just don’t like her, make her a better candidate.

Bernie Sanders’ supporters might accuse Clinton of sounding like a Republican, but we’re the ones who are doing the GOP’s dirty work for them.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
49. Your mask is crooked
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:14 PM
Dec 2015

I seriously doubt you are a Sanders supporter or want to see him as the nominee. When you say tired old racist and sexist things like:
"The response from many among Sanders’ white male voter base..."
It is dog whistle racist and sexist bullshit.
On women and people of color:
Roughly 301,000 women have donated to Sanders's campaign compared to 240,000 for Clinton, a more than 60,00 edge as of the last reporting period at the end of September.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/fundraising/261342-sanders-claims-more-women-donors-than-clinton

NARAL 100% rating (1996-2014)
NAACP 91-100% rating (1995-2014)
ACLU 100% rating (1999-2014)
Human Rights Campaign 100% (1995-2014)
Disabled American veterans 100% (1999-2014)
Https://votesmart.org

The point is that all these "stop the Hillary hate" people need to look in the mirror and pay attention to their own language.
Bernie has proven, not just in the last couple of years, but for decades that he is an ally of women health, women rights, LGBTQ rights and veteran's health and rights.




Cha

(297,246 posts)
62. You BS supports always try to smear the Messenger.. everyone who endorses Hillary or calls for the
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:17 PM
Dec 2015

hysteria to quell gets the same.

I seen this.. "We’ve clearly moved past derangement. This is the time of full-on Hillary hysteria."

You all should own it and quit trying to deny it.

This is Hillary's Group.. I ask that you respect the boundaries.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
85. Yeah, well the writer isn't wearing a "mask" so it can't be "crooked".
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:41 AM
Dec 2015

I'm sure there are Sanders' supporters who actually recognize the reality of this. I know rare.. yet here it is.

Excellent article.

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
55. OKNancy is quoting the author, not telling you she supports Sanders.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:22 PM
Dec 2015

Please read the original Salon piece at the link.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
56. I did
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:19 PM
Dec 2015

Choosing to post a quote without context or personal perspective leaves the reader to assume acquiescence at least or whole cloth agreement at best.
My response is not meant to be argumentative but to point out two things: first, to make the point that there are actors in both camps trading in false narratives.
Second, that using language like "white male voter base" is dog whistle racism and sexism. I posted hard facts to point out that there is nothing reflected in Sanders political career to support that he is in anyway racist or sexist. Not now and not 20 years ago or 30 years ago.

I have no issue debating policies and perspectives. When I see it, in either camp, I will continue to call out racism and sexism and ageism.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
58. The article was written by a Sanders supporter. It says so clearly in the article
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:45 PM
Dec 2015

I only posted the article and my only addition was to point out that a Sanders supporter wrote the article.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
61. You BS supports always try to smear the Messenger.. everyone who endorses Hillary or calls for the
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:14 PM
Dec 2015

hysteria to quell gets the same.

I seen this.. "We’ve clearly moved past derangement. This is the time of full-on Hillary hysteria."

You all should own it and quit trying to deny it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. Not all progressives are liberals, OR Democrats. Or "anti-war."
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:32 PM
Dec 2015

Teddy Roosevelt being a rather notable example of that...

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. Why Sanders is running at all? Regardless of the answer, his campaign serves an important purpose.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

The frothing-at-the-mouth Berners (not all Sanders supporters, just some) post the right-wing crapola with glee.

When Clinton finally wraps this up, the GOP will step in where the Berners leave off, and it will be much, much worse.

Consider this preseason training: honing skills for the big game.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. Well, the reverse is true, too.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:34 PM
Dec 2015

Granted, the frothing-at-the-mouth crew are the Junior Varsity, but by the time we've played them for a season, we'll be well warmed up to take on the rusty "A" (is for a-hole) GOP team.


It'll be all "asked and answered." And they'll have to defend their candidate as well--it's not easy to fling shit when you're cowering behind a shield. Every single candidate they have has "problems."

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
37. Buzz Clik in my opinion signals the purpose of this thread. Whining
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:39 PM
Dec 2015

about Hillary hate ie, any opinion that doesn't support her, then his/her remarks about how HORRID Bernie supporters are. Sad.

I have SERIOUS reservations about Hillary and I WILL voice them. Linking disagreement about Hillary to disloyalty and even collusion with the right wing is a right wing tactic used to shut down dissent. Bernie is running and excelling because of people like Hillary. You may find this hard to believe but some of us are old enough to remember what dems stood for and most importantly FOUGHT for even if there was no hope of winning.

She voted for a war based on bullshit like the others with the intention of keeping her job, not because anything presented was true. Then she stood up in front of zillionaires when the country was dissolving and thousands were dying and said the war crime she enabled was a great business opportunity. That is not defensible. That actually was a character moment for her and what I learned sickened me. If that came out of Mitt Romney or Donald Trump's mouth there would be vociferous responses from this forum. That it came from her and many find nothing deeply disturbing about it is also a character moment for them.

I have policy issues with Clinton. I also have problems with Bill hanging with pedophiles when his wife is running for president. I have problems with their foundation and their pay for play business plan. My issues with her are substantive and if you want to gloss over them by calling me a republican enabler go ahead. That speaks for you, not me.

These threads want dissent to end. They want oppositional opinion to end. There's an easier way to do it. Put everyone that hurts your feelings on ignore. Eventually, the only people you will be able to read and speak with will be Hillary supporters. Problem solved.

I am an FDR DEMOCRAT. I am a LIBERAL. If you have a problem with that, examine your conscience.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
48. Lets see here...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:14 PM
Dec 2015
Linking disagreement about Hillary to disloyalty and even collusion with the right wing is a right wing tactic used to shut down dissent.

Followed by...

I also have problems with Bill hanging with pedophiles when his wife is running for president.

and then...

My issues with her are substantive ...

Fascinating.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
50. "Whining about Hillary hate." Nope. I totally acknowledge that it exists, and I know why.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:20 PM
Dec 2015

That is exactly why HRC going through the primaries uncontested would be counterproductive.

Bernie is a nice guy with a very narrow basis of appeal. I'd vote for him as the nominee, but reluctantly. He keeps HRC's feet to the fire, and the Bernie supporters keep us on our toes; some of them teach us to have tough skin in the face of endless insults.

Not whining, just giving a pep talk to the junior varsity.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
66. "We’ve clearly moved past derangement. This is the time of full-on Hillary hysteria." Hate all you
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:46 PM
Dec 2015

want. Quell it with the Hysteria.

William769

(55,147 posts)
5. From the article
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:30 PM
Dec 2015
"If America as a whole has a complicated relationship with the former First Lady, one segment of the population stands out. Research from the Wall Street Journal this November showed that Hillary hysteria is coming from one major sector of the population — white men. “Sixty-four percent of white men hold an unfavorable view of Mrs. Clinton, compared with just 26 percent who see her in a positive light,” the Journal’s Aaron Zitner noted. “That’s a gap of 38 points.”

I think you all know why I quoted that part.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
43. Yes, mostly white and male.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:54 PM
Dec 2015

And I think, while youth is represented here, most of us are older.

I think that is why the AA group here is having so much difficulty. I never thought I would see such a level of racism and misogyny on a Democratic site. I have lost respect for a number of people here, people I have interacted with for years. I am not so sure about those who are supposed to police and/or own the site, either. I am questioning whether or not I want to continue to support this site financially. I guess we will see how things look after the primaries.

Fla Dem

(23,675 posts)
17. I'm not sure I know where you're coming from, but there was this too....
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015
Clinton has continued to occupy that same space for the better part of three decades now, a one-woman culture war who plays the political game the same way the men around her do. But unlike those men, Clinton is chided for being “disingenuous” and a “political insider.” Everyone else just gets to do their job.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. I think we have more than a few left posers who hang around these parts.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:37 PM
Dec 2015

I've never seen so many BREITBART and Daily Caller references here of late. We never used to see those sources, or if we did see them, they'd be prefaced by something like "Can you believe what those morons over at BREITBART are saying?"

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
12. I don't see this
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:31 PM
Dec 2015

From the left. I see the squeemish reluctance of the left to embrace her just yet. Allow the process to run its course. I think it dumb to assume that she will be the nominee. Hell,the MSM is still trotting jeb around like he matters. I am tired of being told who to vote for by some billionaire. We all are.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
13. Thanks Bernie!!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:41 PM
Dec 2015

Thanks for running Bernie!! Bernie has excited the Progressive Left which will be important for the Democratic Party as a whole come 2016 General Election. With an excited Democratic Party as a whole, we can not only win the White House (GO Hillary!!), but also take back the Senate and win seats in the House!!

Without Bernie this would have been a horrible Non-Primary for the Dems.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
14. I've posted this before
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:42 PM
Dec 2015

Sanders is my favorite member of Congress, but I won't consider supporting/voting for him in the primary because he can't win the nomination, and if he did somehow win it he would lose the general election in a landslide (please don't resort to obscure, manipulated poll interpretations that show otherwise).
Simple fact is the most conservative or most liberal representative of either party cannot win a general election.
I do think, however, that his run has been good for the party, the progressive movement and Clinton's GE run. He has raised important issues and will help Clinton's run as a liberal (not socialist) candidate in 2016.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. I think he'd prefer the labor portfolio, but you never know.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:53 PM
Dec 2015

He has always said his signature issue is working wages...

I don't know if he has the background to bring a 'medicare for all' strategy to the fore. He has the interest, but we've seen what happened in Test Case VT...and that was pretty daunting. I think the only way to slice this cake is incrementally. I know people what it all and want it now, but I think it's going to be a tweak and twist and shift and pull exercise.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
16. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

I'm a older white woman who supports Bernie Sanders. I don't have to hysterically hate Hillary Clinton to support another candidate. She's just not my first choice.

Get over it.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
77. Whatever.. the Hillary Hysteria is here whether you deny it or not.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:51 AM
Dec 2015
"We’ve clearly moved past derangement. This is the time of full-on Hillary hysteria."

BS fans should own it and quit trying to deny it.. or stop if it can't be owned.

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
18. 0-7 Leave it - jury results
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:07 PM
Dec 2015

On Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:58 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The left’s absurd Hillary hate: Why this ridiculous anti-Clinton crusade needs to stop
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110728945

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is trolling. No substance bashing of Bernie Sanders supporters

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:05 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Posting a legitimately and reasonably expressed opinion published at Salon.com, a reputable source, is not trolling.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, this alert is "trolling." Why on earth was this post alerted?? If you don't like what is posted in the HRC group, don't go there. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this post.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I support Bernie, but I can take this. I don't support mod-by-alert by anybody.
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Explanation: Yes, the piece is pretty low on substance, but still, IMO, within the bounds of discourse. You might reply to the OP pointing out the lack of substance.
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Explanation: This is a terrible alert, stalking of Hillary Group posters, an alert on the alerter is in order

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Cha

(297,246 posts)
78. Yeah, they don't like it when Hill fans go in there but they jump in our group head first.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:53 AM
Dec 2015

I have no interest going in there but they cannot respect our space.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. I can't believe someone alerted on a SALON article. In a PROTECTED GROUP.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:41 PM
Dec 2015

That's just not right. Juror 7 and Juror 3 make some great points.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
57. Thanks. I've never had a hide in my 14 years here.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015

That's crazy. You can't even post a Salon article without getting alerted around here.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
73. In your case...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:40 PM
Dec 2015

a lot of "Listen to what I say, not what I do."

You remind me of Scotty, the barroom brawl, and "The Trouble with Tribbles"!



Response to OKNancy (Original post)

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
21. Great article - tells it like it is
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:17 PM
Dec 2015

I can't even wrap my head around someone alerting on this. SMH.

Response to OKNancy (Original post)

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
33. Personally, I don't hate Mrs. Clinton at all. I simply don't feel that she
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:37 PM
Dec 2015

is the best qualified candidate for the Presidency. nt

JackHughes

(166 posts)
42. Letting the perfect be the enemy of the good
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:52 PM
Dec 2015

Any progressive who believes that Hillary Clinton's ideology isn't "pure" enough to deserve their vote in the general election -- assuming she is the Democratic nominee -- will be casting a de facto vote for the Republican candidate.

Keeping the Republicans from controlling the executive branch and making Supreme Court appointments is the highest priority. That means supporting the Democratic nominee, whomever that will be.

As Bernie Sanders himself has said, Hillary Clinton on her worst day will be a better president than any Republican on their best day.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
44. Pu......lease. This guy is a "concern troll" of the highest order.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015
"There are real reasons to have reservations about a Clinton presidency — including her oft-cited ties to Wall Street and her hawkish foreign policy — but how often are they the central force of the criticism lodged against her campaign? In an August poll, Quinnipac found that while political respondents felt that Hillary Clinton was “strong” and a candidate with “experience,” the words they most associated with her are “liar,” “dishonest,” and “untrustworthy.” These designations appear to be motivated by her Emailgate scandal and the ongoing questions about Benghazi — but none of the myriad investigations into either have turned up anything close to a smoking gun."

What a pile of crap! He doesn't know what he is talking about. He is conflating right wing baseless mud-slinging with the mindset of progressives in the Democratic party and projecting that we have the very same reasons to oppose her. As if the majority of us, or even a significant minority, are concerned with the faux Benghazi witch hunt, or the over-inflated email "scandal". Yes, you idiot, the "oft-cited ties to Wall Street and her hawkish foreign policy" ARE some of our main concerns. Jesus..speak for yourself you fucking twit! I highly doubt you are really a Bernie supporter as he himself rebuked this kind of stupidity.

"...how often are they the central force of the criticism lodged against her campaign?" Uh....pretty much 100% from the left. Of course there will always be some exceptions, but most of us follow Bernie's example and realize that the email "scandal", and Benghazi are ridiculous, and are meant for another audience; the Faux News and hate radio crowd. Sure you will find one or two ignorant irrational haters, even on DU, but to imply that there is any concordance among any significant portion of Bernie supporters with the GOP that Benghazi and emails are Hillary's biggest problems is appallingly disingenuous and yellow journalism of the lowest order. And even worse, we are so stupid that, unlike the GOP that let slip this is all political theater, we actually believe these faux scandals into a "full-on Hillary hysteria".

This article is laughable if it wasn't so harmful. Ironically he is perpetrating exactly what he purports to be exposing; polarization in the Democratic party. Trying to create a larger flame war on baseless accusations. Splitting the party further with those on one side saying, " See...this confirms what I always knew...Bernie supporters also support the GOP's witch hunt!" While at the same time this piece of garbage also makes us in Bernies camp angry at that induced reaction, and the flames reach higher.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
60. I don't care how you try to smear him.. I've seen this "We’ve clearly moved past derangement.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:01 PM - Edit history (1)

"This is the time of full-on Hillary hysteria."

You all should own it and quit trying to deny it.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
71. Hysteria is perfect.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:38 PM
Dec 2015

I think some people have themselves so worked up they are going to start speaking in tongues.

betsuni

(25,531 posts)
75. I found the similiar unfavorable rates of Clinton and Obama among white men interesting.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:41 AM
Dec 2015

69% for Obama during the healthcare.gov fake scandal and Clinton now at 64% during endless fake scandals. Neither of them ever get the benefit of the doubt, there's complete certainty about what they think and will do, they're personally blamed for everything, assumed to have hidden agendas and owners, only care about money and power, you know the rest. Cartoon villains. Even Republicans are allowed a human personality and seen as individuals. And of course if you call this unfavorable rating demographic what it is, white men, they get mad at you for not respecting their individuality, offended that it might be predicted what they will think and do.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
83. Don't forget that disagreement with them may also be called racist.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 03:19 AM
Dec 2015

I might have thought that after six decades I would have run out of whatthefucks, but no.

applegrove

(118,659 posts)
86. They don't mention the paid GOP trolls who build up
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:50 AM
Dec 2015

the never vote for Hillary meme. Funny how the greatest Hillary haters on the DU went silent for a month after Hillary crushed it during the Benghazi hearing. All in unison the anti Hillary crowd went silent. Shows you how well trained that group of paid GOP trolls are.

Cha

(297,246 posts)
87. "There are many reasons to be wary of Clinton, but a subset of Democrats seem to be motivated by
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:52 AM
Dec 2015
something else."

No kidding!

But, I take exception to this from Bernie..

During the first presidential debate, Sen. Bernie Sanders suggested that the media coverage of Clinton’s use of a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state was an impediment to talking seriously about the issues. I admire Sanders — and count myself a supporter — but I think he stopped short of identifying the full problem. While Emailgate did indeed suck up much of the media’s available bandwidth earlier this summer, with news outlets across the country combing through her correspondences, the ongoing obstacle is actually even bigger than Emailgate.

Yeah. and then in the second debate BS decided that there should be more investigation of the emails. Not only wasting taxpayers money$$$$$$. But, negating what he said in the first debate.

Thank you, Nancy.
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