a full investigation is your only recourse.

The CT possibilities are endless and DU always seems to be up for a good one

you just made me realize I've never gotten anything from the O'Malley campaign. What's wrong with me? It's like he doesn't exist and I don't exist!

I have to say I got an email from the BS campaign once and wrote back .. "No thanks" and I never heard from them again. they did get the message.

These are people who have never signed up?

Considering Sanders has MORE individual donors, who would benefit from that list?

Yes, all three should be investigated.

... who have never supported BS or MOM gotten emails from them?

Why are BS supporters on DU suddenly remembering that they got unsolicited emails from the HRC camp back in October - but they never remarked on it until now?

If BSers getting emails from HRC was proof of nefarious goings-on, why is it an issue now when it wasn't an issue at the time they allegedly got those emails?

Being as HRC (according to DU) is "raking in millions" from Wall Street, corporations, billionaires, status-quo lovers and the 1%, and being that she is waaaay ahead in the polls, why would she need the email list of people who are donating as little as three bucks a pop to the guy who's losing?

Assuming the HRC campaign has a minimum of talent in query crafting .... Why would the HRC campaign target/solicit these "suddenly remembering" DUers ... more than a few of which, have been anti-HRC from Day One?

That is, exactly, counter to what the data sets are designed to do ... limit the expenditure of resources on people that are unlikely to support a candidate.

DU's "sudden remembers" are what happens when: 1 Tsp of Liquid "Understanding of How Something Works" + 64 oz of "Really Want Something to be Wrong Because it Will Mean I'm Right" + equal parts (healthy) dashes of "Root of Conspiracy Propensity" and "Fresh Ground Distrust of Everything" is combined and brought to a boil on anonymous message board spaces.

This is hilarious.

If the firewall is down, then certainly it means any of the campaigns could have accessed the database. So yes, it is possible.

We all get fundraising emails from everybody! Anybody who has ever contributed to any Democratic race, or signed up for anything related to a Democratic race anywhere, gets FR emails. There's nothing nefarious about it.

Sanders, several after the breach but I have not gotten any asking for donations for MOM. Huuummmm.

What these DUers are chalking up to some nefarious plot, doesn't make sense ... Assuming the HRC campaign has an understand of what the data sets are designed for and a minimum of talent in query crafting and .... Why would the HRC campaign target/solicit these "suddenly remembering" DUers ... more than a few of which, have been anti-HRC from Day One?

That is, exactly, counter to what the data sets are designed to do ... limit the expenditure of resources on people that are unlikely to support a candidate.

Yes, it is just one more of attempts to show other campaigns has made breaches.

What I find "interesting" is the very people basing their "movement" on internet adeptness, are showing the least amount of internet savvy.

Apparently, they don't know that participating in OnLine (click) Polling increases the number of online appeals one receives.

Go figure.

the contact information gathered from many years of campaigns, including Obama's old database and other databases, is owned by the DNC and is being rented to all three campaigns on the same basis.

Then each campaign adds its own special proprietary information that they gather from the people in that database, often through telephone or even door to door interviews. That proprietary info is not shared and is what Uretsky and his helpers delved into.

But it is no mystery why non-supporters are getting contacted. According to Bernie's own lawsuit, the database owned by the DNC and rented out to the campaigns includes full contact info, including email addresses.

... is not at issue here.

What's at issue is BS supporters insisting that HRC's camp accessed Bernie's data, and offering the fact of their receiving emails from HRC as proof positive that that's what in fact happened.

Is there any evidence that BS accessed HRC's data while a firewall was down? YES - and Bernie acknowledged that, and fired those involved.

Is there any evidence that HRC accessed BS's data while a firewall was down? NO.

And yet this board is full of posts by BS supporters claiming it happened - and, according to them, the fact there is no evidence of it having happened is due to those complicit in the vast conspiracy against Bernie having the power to cover-up such evidence.

"So yes, it is possible" is a piss-poor excuse for anyone claiming that HRC, her staffers, DWS or the DNC have done anything illegal and/or unethical. And yet, many are claiming exactly that.

BTW, it's also "possible" that Bernie himself masterminded the accessing of HRC's data, then feigned ignorance of the operation, and fired three staffers to deflect attention away from himself. They knew it was coming - it was agreed ahead of time who would take the fall, should their actions be detected.

Yes, that IS possible. But you don't see any Hillary supporters promoting that "possibility" as actual fact, do you?

This is a scream!

I received daily solicitations, and every weekend door knocks, from republican candidates, despite me being a registered Democrat since the age of 18 (except for a 2 year period where being a college student convinced me I possessed a special political understanding, and therefore, HAD to be an Independent).

Should the gop be investigated, too?

It's only Hillary who is the enemy. Didn't you get the memo?

Random super delegates who support Bernie are wonderful human beings, but anybody who supports Hillary is evil.

Martin O'Malley is now simply a shill for Hillary, despite the fact that he's actually running against her. But that's all a plot.

Proof that DNC and other Democratic Party's resources sends out mailings and e-mails to Democratic Party's members who in fact DO NOT support that particular candidate.

As they say, proof is in the pudding. Matter of fact in the past presidential Democratic Primary elections I have received mailings and e-mails from various Democratic Party's candidates that I do not support and never found it odd or suspicious or create some awful conspiracy theories.

So what's the problem?

I would like an explanation!!!!

This is why a full, independent, "from day one" investigation is necessary.

Their campaign could have purchased mailing lists from OFA (Obama for President), DSCC (he is a Senator, after all), or DNC. Alternatively, they could have purchased mailing lists from non-party actors, such as Mother Jones magazine, MoveOn, the Sierra Club, etc.

There is nothing sinister about any of the mailing lists.

Today I got emails from Bernie, Hillary, Bill Clinton, and several candidates for office in my state. Tomorrow I will get more.

where you provide ... your email address ... to once a week, down from several per hour!

{Do I need the ? }

... if I don't vote for my candidate in those on-line polls, how else will I know that my candidate is actually winning?

DUH!!!

Hell Bernie wasn't even a Dem when he got the DNC list. So the DNC helps Bernie's campaign and people complain.

but DNC is the big bad enemy. Perhaps some from the Senatorial campaign but zip else wise. He appeared on Democrats.org mailings too.

some of us have the good sense to not get on MORE lists by participating in every/any OnLine Poll that we come across.

gotten several from Senator Bernie Sanders, even though I have never contributed to his campaign?

In fact, clearing out the fundraising emails I receive from Dem candidates to whom I have never contributed for all sorts of offices - and even from GOPers to whom I have unfortunately written letters over the years - takes a good part of my on-line day.

The manufactured outrage about getting fundraising emails would be funny, if it weren't so sad and silly. Did some people just realize that this is all part of the game?

The idea that HRC, once flotus, SoS, Senator, has some team somewhere TRYING to email non-supporters is really out there!

here these days. One reason that I became a DU member was to avoid wingnuttery.

But it is here - in full-fledged bloom.

I see you've been here since 2008, by which time we had acquired more of the indie crowd than we had in the beginning. Still, enough culture of the earlier days remained to make the battles on point of intra-party differences.

In 2001, around here the side of the angels was down on Nader and indie challenges to Dems. The BS campaign has re-legitimized the whole Both Parties Are The Same kerfluffle.

wish I had discovered it much earlier. It kept me halfway sane and I lurked a LOT during the awful Bush years. I actually signed on as a member in 2008.

Relegitimizing the Both Parties Are The Same kerfluffle has certainly been a downside this cycle. But I believe that it is less Bernie himself than some of his supporters who are the ones who are doing that. Nader was leading - front and center - with that crap.

Have a VERY Happy New Year!

I unsubscribed for the second time. I guess I will just unsubscribe for the third time.

Shit, I get Carson, for months. Where did that come from?

every left leaning political org.asking for money. Wesley, Biden, Iowa, ect....

I get dozens of emails every day from political figures, to whom I have never contributed. You can unsubscribe and there is the junk file.

candidates, I am flooded with requests from everybody and his mother, who's running for Democratic office. I don't get this whole conspiracy nonsense.

It's obvious that one campaign has decided that by trashing the DNC, they will somehow gain the upper hand against the frontrunner? It's a strategy, but it's one that's doomed to fail. All the CT's, spurred on by ultra leftwing nuts like Cenk Ugyr & Thom Hartmann, will come back to haunt us all, I fear. You can have all the investigations you want, but the campaign that targeted them will never concede that they themselves, are the ones who screwed up, stole & cheated.



This guy bears a striking resemblance to Thom Hartmann. All that's missing is the "RT" logo.

O'Malley could have purchased mailing lists from party organizations that you may have supported (e.g. DGA - Democratic Governors Assoc; DSCC - Democratic Senators; DCCC - Democratic Congress). Possibly another candidate you supported in another context shared a mailing list -- OFA (Obama for President), or maybe a non-partisan cause/publication (e.g. Mother Jones, Sierra Club, MoveOn).

As an active Democrat, I expect emails from all kinds of fellow Dems - and get them all the time. I have never questioned their genesis, or attached any nefarious goings-on to my receipt thereof.

I merely wanted to point out how ridiculous the conspiracy theories are that the BSers are now circulating.

When the news broke that BS's team had accessed HRC's information, certain DUers started reporting that they were suddenly receiving emails from Hillary - and proferred it as evidence that it was HER campaign that had accessed Bernie's info.

When it was later learned that there had been a computer security glitch back in October, those same DUers started claiming that they had received emails from HRC in October - again "proving" that HER campaign had actually done what Bernie's campaign was accused of doing.

The fact is that the people who are now claiming they received HRC emails back in October never mentioned it at the time they were allegedly receiving these emails. It was only when the October glitch was spoken about that they suddenly "remembered" that they had received HRC emails back then.

Given the computer age we live in, the idea that anyone would immediately don their tin-foil hat because they received an unsolicited email from a candidate is beyond laughable.

BS's camp were caught doing what they shouldn't have done. BS apologized for the incident, and fired those involved. But some BSers are still desperately trying to "prove" that HRC got their email addresses by accessing Bernie's data, because what other possible explanation could there be for receiving emails from a candidate they don't contribute to - other than, of course, the obvious explanations that you have set out.

I have never given to the Ohio party and I am focuses on turning Texas blue

I have tremendous respect for you, NanceGreggs, but not like this.

... for people who are attempting to equate receiving emails from HRC with some unethical or illegal behaviour on her part, DWS's part, or the DNC's part.

Bernie's campaign workers accessed data they had no right to. That fact is not in dispute. BS apologized, and fired those responsible.

But that proved unacceptable to many BSers here - so they launched one conspiracy theory after another about how it was HRC's people who "apparently" got their email addresses by accessing BS's data - all facts to the contrary. Some of them have even "suddenly remembered" that they were receiving HRC emails back in October - which they only spoke up about after learning there had also been a security glitch during that month.

If getting emails from Hillary's camp is the complete outrage some are making it out to be, one wonders why it wasn't outrageous enough to be remarked on at the time these emails starting showing up - allegedly, two months ago.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when one candidate - probably through no fault of his own, or even to his knowledge - acknowledges wrong-doing by his staff, and the supporters of that candidate spin bullshit theories about how it was another candidate's wrong-doing - with no evidence thereof - that is really at issue.

Sorry, but I just can't ignore that kind of behaviour - so I do what I always do, I mock it and hope to prompt the dismissive laughter it truly deserves.

I realize that BS isn't doing well. His numbers have been stagnant for months, and his staunch supporters are disappointed that his oft-predicted massive swell of support never materialized, and never will.

However, that is no excuse for insinuating, implying, or stating outight that HRC is actually guilty of the behaviour that Bernie himself has acknowledged was engaged in by his own campaign staff.

I have received emails from BS, from MOM, from HRC - and I've never attached any nefarious wrong-doing to the idea that, as a Democrat, my email address is available to candidates I may not personally support.

The fact that many of the BS contingent are so desperate to malign other candidates in lieu of promoting the positives of their own candidate-of-choice speaks for itself. As so many have said over the past few months, Bernie probably deserves much better supporters than those who are allegedly on his side.

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the cool thing about the mail from Carson is that they send a post paid big ass envelope to return his survey and hopes for a donation. I shred it and throw in more of my shredded paper and mark up the photo of him and return it.

a few years ago i got one from barbra streisand.

Don't tell me she logged in and ran some SQL queries?

from susan sarandon.

This morning I got an email from Joan Baez. I think that one was for Amnesty International.

I also got emails this morning from Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and a bunch of celebrities fundraising for Sierra Club, ACLU, Planned Parenthood, etc. Oh, and my email from Bernie Sanders.

If one accepts a donation from someone who works for a corporation does that now make you a corporate shill? Or should you just stick to donations from nomads? Cash only of course.

Clearly.

If it is the right candidate accepting the donation , it will be explained away; if it's the wrong candidate, it will be condemned ... If it is the right corporation giving the donation , it will be explained away; if it's the wrong corporation, it will be condemned ... If it is my candidate accepting the donation , it will be explained away; if it's the wrong candidate, it will be condemned.

There are issues of patriarchy, animal welfare, environmental degradation..... It's probably best to stay inside with the covers up and don't try to do anything at all. That way your hands stay clean!

/sarcasm

The Tinfoil Hat Brigade marches on!

... in the tin-foil hat market before this primary process began, I would now be one of those 1%er billionaires that BS supporters claim are the only people who support HRC.

I started receiving UNWANTED solicitations for MONEY from the Sanders campaign!

I DEMAND a FULL INVESTIGATION of this terrible, earthshaking, world destroying SCANDAL until I am PERSONALLY satisfied with the RESULTS!

I think that's how the Bernie Outrage machine would put it LOL

from every Democratic candidate and agency.

Right now I have 5,674 emails in my inbox. I'm afraid to open it up and deal with it.

Maybe it's all rolled into one Unified Field Conspiracy.

That's what I get for spreading my interest and dollars around.

....for donations I never sent?!

Something is very wrong here.

This happened within the last month.