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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:44 PM Feb 2016

Why This Millenial is Supporting Hillary Clinton (and not Bernie)

Even if the next Dem President achieves a victory as resounding as President Obama's, he will be forced to act alone.

The Rethugs in Congress will not help the new Democratic President achieve anything. Their policy is nothing but obstructionism.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/1/26/berned-out-why-this-millennial-wont-be-supporting-bernie-sanders-in-the-primary-election#.Vq1oFkyl9B0.twitter

But the truth is that in order to understand politics you have to understand history, something the vast majority of millennials simply fail to grasp. It's not even "ancient history" that millennials need to understand but rather the political climate of the past seven years. That's it. Anyone who has been actively following politics since 2008 knows the kind of political climate that currently exists in Washington, D.C. After the 2010 midterm elections when Republicans took control of the House, we then had the two least productive Congresses in history, which oddly enough happened after we elected a group of politicians to government who openly stated that they hated government. With Republicans taking over control of the Senate in 2014, it has only been President Obama's veto pen that has kept the country from regressing back to pre-2008 economic and social policies.

That current political reality matters and it matters because it's what lies in the aftermath of a transformational president being elected. In 2008, Senator Barack Obama ushered in a new generation of politics in America. With the Great Recession under way, America was desperate for a candidate that would bring "hope and change" to a country that for eight years had been crushed by tax cuts for the rich, two trillion-dollar wars, a flailing auto industry, massive job losses, and staggering unemployment under the Bush/Cheney presidency. When the election night returns came in, it was a resounding victory for Senator Obama who racked up 69.4 million popular votes as well as 365 electoral votes. The American people had spoken and the newly-elected President Obama had a mandate from the American people.

Except Republican leadership didn't get this memo. In fact, rather than showing goodwill and working with the popularly-elected president, senior Republican leadership vowed to do everything in their power to make President Obama a one-term president. And so President Obama was forced to go it at alone. Even then, with a veto-proof Senate and a majority in the House of Representatives, President Obama still had to battle those within his own party who were grotesquely entrenched with their ties to special interests. At a time when affordable health care, a democratic priority since the Truman Administration, should have been a slam dunk, President Obama was forced to scale back his plan. Universal health care was never an option and even the public option was seen as "too radical" by many of those within the president's own party. In the end, it took every single ounce of support to pass the Affordable Care Act, without a single vote from Republicans in the Senate as well as 35 Democrats refusing to support it in the House. It may not have been exactly what President Obama wanted, but he made the hard decisions and was able to compromise and work with those to help achieve what many now see as a central part of his legacy.

That is why you need a pragmatist like Barack Obama in the White House.

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Why This Millenial is Supporting Hillary Clinton (and not Bernie) (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2016 OP
Is that allowed? 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #1
Turns out, millenials like Hillary just fine Rose Siding Feb 2016 #3
But....but....but....Feel the Bern! 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #4
Ha-ha! pandr32 Feb 2016 #8
pssst... Rose Siding Feb 2016 #10
"The problem is that none of it is practical." riversedge Feb 2016 #2
The free college issue is worrisome in many ways radical noodle Feb 2016 #11
My millenial-age grown children are inarguably for Hillary. yallerdawg Feb 2016 #5
Mine are split -- by gender. pnwmom Feb 2016 #9
Setting goals too high and not making progress does not help, Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #7

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
3. Turns out, millenials like Hillary just fine
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

via Kevin Drum-

It's the first election day of the cycle, so I might as well go with the flow. Langer Research recently asked millennials how they'd feel if various candidates won the presidency. Here were the choices:

like declaring a national holiday
like there's a light at the end of the tunnel
like shrugging
like going back to bed
like fleeing the country
And here are the results:



http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/it-turns-out-millennials-hillary-clinton-just-fine


Here's Langer's paper-

Fusion Millennials Poll #4: Emotional Responses to Candidates

https://fusiondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/fusionpollcandidatesemotions2.pdf

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
2. "The problem is that none of it is practical."
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

The author has done homework on the major issues. Thanks. WELL thought out post.


.......... For a generation that is still learning about the ins and outs of politics, nearly everything Sanders says is appealing and makes perfect sense.

The problem is that none of it is practical.

By watching the debates and speeches, one thing becomes clear: Senator Sanders has not really thought through his "revolution." When questioned about how a divided government will approve of his radical, progressive agenda Sanders simply implies that Congress will adhere to the will of the people. Um, newsflash: This is the same Congress that just told the 90% of Americans that want mandatory background checks to go and stick it where the sun don't shine. President Obama had to fight his own party to pass health insurance reform and now all of a sudden Senator Sanders thinks that as a political independent he will be welcomed with open arms by a Republican-controlled House and a (hopefully) Democratically-controlled Senate. The odds are more likely that Donald Trump actually shoots someone on Fifth Avenue than Senator Sanders willfully having Congress enact his entire agenda.

It's not simply the health care issue where Senator Sanders seemed to have strayed from reality. He also has grandiose ideas regarding breaking up the big banks which is something that he has wanted to accomplish for a long time. However, the ramification from this idea seems to be something that Sanders hasn't fully conceived. For example, to break up the big banks sounds good and well but what happens to the customers of those banks that rely on them for their savings accounts? What about small businesses that rely on those banks for loans? What about homeowners who pay a mortgage through the bank? Are all these accounts then shifted toward community banks? If so, which ones? What if this new bank is far away from someone's home or business?

The same issues arise with Senator Sanders' plan for free college tuition. Again, it sounds great but how does it play out? Does it apply to both public and private universities? What about religious schools? How will colleges and universities offset the lost revenue from their entire student populations? Will people that work in financial aid offices be laid off across the country? Will college athletes be paid since everyone on campus is essentially on scholarship? How will colleges and universities prepare for a massive influx in applications now knowing that a student's financial situation is no longer a factor in his or her decision to apply to college? And, here's a zinger that Senator Sanders may have not considered: Is it really beneficial to make college free for the children of somebody like Donald Trump?...................

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
11. The free college issue is worrisome in many ways
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

If a student graduates from high school with a D- average, are we still going to pay for them to go to college the next fall? Seriously?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. My millenial-age grown children are inarguably for Hillary.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 06:01 PM
Feb 2016

Other family members, cousins and such - at university! - are inarguably for Bernie.

Remember your liberal Poly Sci professor? In liberal communities and liberal regions?

Remember how you could finally be smarter than your elders?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. Setting goals too high and not making progress does not help,
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016

Setting reasonable goals and then getting cooperation and a move in the right direction.

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