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BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:32 AM Feb 2016

Clinton Gets It on Health Care

Her proposals are realistic and politically pragmatic; Bernie Sanders' aren't.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/opinion-blog/articles/2016-02-12/hillary-clinton-gets-it-on-health-care-bernie-sanders-doesnt

In Thursday night's Democratic debate, Clinton and her fellow Democratic candidate for president, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, debated several issues, including health care reform. While Sanders has been advocating for a single-payer, Medicare-for-all health care plan, Clinton has been pushing to build upon President Barack Obama's health care law, the Affordable Care Act, to close the remaining gaps in coverage. During the debate, Clinton criticized Sanders' plan, noting "if you're having Medicare for all, single-payer, you need to level with people about what they will have at the end of the process you are proposing. And based on every analysis that I can find by people who are sympathetic to the goal, the numbers don't add up, and many people will actually be worse off than they are right now." She also said, "The last thing we need is to throw our country into a contentious debate about health care again."

Democrats should listen to Clinton on this one. Universal coverage should absolutely be the goal of any health care reform plan that is proposed. But health care proposals should also be realistic and politically pragmatic. Sanders' plan is not.

Medicare for all is not a new idea. A bill that would establish the program is pending in Congress now and has been for many years, but has never advanced. Even in a Sanders presidency, the situation is not likely to differ. A proposal like that would never make it through what is likely going to be a Republican-controlled House, since Republicans generally seek to shrink the role of government, not expand it.

But what if, in a few years, Congress was entirely controlled by Democrats? Consider that when the Democratic-controlled Congress was debating the Affordable Care Act, it couldn't even pass the "public option" – the government-controlled health care plan that was to have been included on the health insurance exchanges – because more conservative members opposed the expansion of government's role as a health care payer. A single-payer plan, like the one Sanders proposes, would include much more government involvement than the public option. The political will to pass his plan into law does not exist.


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Clinton Gets It on Health Care (Original Post) BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 OP
K & R Iliyah Feb 2016 #1
You'd think if bernie were going around campaigning and on stage for a nationally televised Cha Feb 2016 #2
"Revolution" and "Break Up the Banks" BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #3
You are preaching to the converted UtahLib Feb 2016 #4
Thanks, UtahLib! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #5
you know who else? stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #6
Of course, Putin would love to see that BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #7

Cha

(297,285 posts)
2. You'd think if bernie were going around campaigning and on stage for a nationally televised
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

debate that he or his team could come up with a viable plan.

Or is it just "revolution"?

Didn't he throw together a Medicare for all plan before the Iowa debate? How's that working out?

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
3. "Revolution" and "Break Up the Banks"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

seem to sum up the "strategy."

For the first to succeed, one would need sustained campaigns of supporters to show up in DC not simply once every four years, but for every single day. Most who are living from paycheck to paycheck could not devote that kind of constant and consistent effort. That is why we elect people to represent us in DC. Whatever happens in this election, support for Medicare for all will just not be there among elected representatives. In fact, GOPers will seize on any excuse to overturn the ACA altogether.

How would the second proceed at all? By Executive Order? With this particular group of Supremes, it will take about two minutes for one to be overturned. He would not be able to get anything regarding breaking banks up accomplished with the Congress he is likely to get. The very idea is totally antithetical to Republicans.

Don Quixote is a great figure of literature and certainly Bernie's end-goals are laudable. I share the goal of universal health coverage, as does anyone who cares about people. But we need more than tilting at windmills. Too many peoples's lives depend on progress being made, albeit incrementally. To set back progress that has been made WILL cost lives.

But then - I am preaching to the converted, LOL.

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
4. You are preaching to the converted
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

but it cannot be said often enough. Thank you for your tireless efforts in spreading the truth.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
7. Of course, Putin would love to see that
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:01 PM
Feb 2016

happen. Check out Sberbank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sberbank_of_Russia

As part of a project I was intimately involved with, we had to use Sberbank to deliver payments to claimants inside Russia because there was no other feasible and reliable system. It worked, but we had to follow their arcane instructions literally to the letter. That was >10 years ago. Sberbank has left such mundane business behind in its quest for more financial power and control. http://www.sberbank.ru/en/about/about_sberbank

From the second link:

Sberbank today

The current Sberbank has almost nothing left to remind us of the savings offices, in the form of which the Bank functioned for such a long period of time. What is really amazing is that Sberbank is barely recognisable from itself of just 10 years ago!

The ability to change and move forward means that Sberbank is currently in excellent shape. Being the oldest and the largest Russian bank does not stop Sberbank from competing openly and in good faith with other banking market players, keeping its finger on the pulse of financial and technological changes. Sberbank not only keeps up with modern market trends, but even remains ahead of them, confidently knowing its way around drastically changing technologies and customer preferences.

Leader of the Banking Industry

Sberbank today is the circulatory system of the Russian economy, accounting for one third of its banking system. The Bank provides employment and a source of income for every 150th Russian family.

Sberbank today is 16 territorial banks and over 17 thousand branches throughout the country in all 83 constituent entities of the Russian Federation located across 11 time zones.

Sberbank offers the widest selection of banking services for retail customers: from traditional deposits and various types of loans to bank cards, money transfers, bank insurance and brokerage services.
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